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[Unregistered]

ok im a 20 year old student nurse and i'm verry interested in phsycolagy and things surounding the brain.
i know most of you who read this will defend Hypnosis but just think for a while what is stoping some one from seriously damageing someone's health thru Hypnosis.
ok fine you couldent tell someone that there heart has stoped beating and they will die (at least i dont think that would work) but whats stoping someone lets say using Hypnosis to "put someone down" if you will saying things like:
you feel pain in your back
and
you feel verry tired all time

its just me thinking to deep into it but whats your thorts?

(p.s. sorry about the grammer im a terable speller and its late at night)

[Don]

Nobody needs hypnosis to put someone down. People do it all the time.

Perhaps even unfortunate are the people who continually put themselves down and keep themselves living in negative worlds of their own creation. For example, some people have chosen to accept certain things about themselves--I'm not fit to be happy, I'm not a good person, I'm not smart, I'm a bad speller--instead of creating a life where they have all of these things and more.

I wish they knew that hypnosis could help them with this. Don't you wish that, too?

[Merlin]

Well of course a hypnotist *could* give rotten suggestions.
Physicians do it all the time.
'This is a risky operation. You only have a 50% chance of making it'.
WHAT A SUGGESTION!
If the Dr. could just learn to say 'This'll be a piece of cake. I could do this operation in my sleep' success rates would soar!

Then again, Dr. *mistakes* are the leading cause of death in most countries, accounting for over 10 times the death rate of automobiles. That's doctors *errors, mistakes*

There is NO KNOWN CASE of anyone dying from a hypnotist's mistakes.

Yes, a hypnotist *could* suggest a client feel bad, but why? Besides moral and ethical reasons, it doesn't get paying customers into the office.

[Annie]

Hi -

You said : ok im a 20 year old student nurse and

(Having worked as a nurse for 30 years), I invite you to explore, and discover, countless wonderful ways in which you can *very positively* help other people.

You can do this by -
a) the kinds of questions you can Ask hurting people, in such a way that you enable them to not only Think positively as in " ok, I'm being hopefull " addressing but the Survival - stage. Beyond that, is the

b) Thrivor - stage where you can Suggest/guide each person into becoming, what I choose being, a *Resilient person* : where no matter what transpires in their lives, with but the help of a few Choice friends, they will be able to rebound each time stronger, with their Core-states intact.

Do you realize that if we each graced each others life like that, we'd only need a few First Aid-medical procedures ! :)
~

You said : i'm very interested in phsycolagy and things surrounding the brain.

The ' traditional ' - schooling you will get in any of the " Care " - sciences would have you believing the (brain = mind). Yet those of us who have guided others' *self-Healing* journeys, regard the brain (while playing a significant part) as just that, a "part" of each person's mind. Think of it this way : All of you, down to each atom, comprising 1 mind.
So -
as you regard each of the "patients" entrusted into your *loving/tender Caring*, on a daily/hourly basis as a nurse, (were you in their shoes, or were each of these people a member of your own living family, you know as in " There but for the grace of God go I "), how would *you, personally* want a nurse to interact with you ? in helping guide *your own personal Well-being* :)


Annie

[unhypnotizablynot]

There is NO KNOWN CASE of anyone dying from a hypnotist's mistakes.



Here in the UK, last night there was a TV programme about stage hypnosis.

Amongst other negative aspects to stage hypnosis, the programme presented a woman who claimed stage hypnosis had killed her daughter. Basically the daughter had a severe phobia of electricity, and the stage hypnotist ( not knowing about the phobia ) used electricity as a positive hallucination on the daughter, as part of the stage show.

The daughter was severely traumatised, and within days was dead.

It was an interesting and sad programme.

Why anyone would want to be a stage hypnotist rather than a hypnotherapist I shall never understand.

:(

[Don]

I remember a story about a man who had a son who had a 15- or 16-yr-old son who was failing in school and who broke up with his girlfriend. Instead of talking with the boy and helping him, he watched TV while he allowed the son to go into his room and drink alcohol--lots of alcohol. In that condition the son--depressed, failing in school, with an unconcerned father--took a gun and killed himself.

We all do the best we do, and the father's lack of concern was not due to a lack of love, just the lack of knowledge of what to do. He loved his son and had trouble with the grief. My guess is that he problably had a lot of guilt, too. He needed someone to blame. And he picked someone and sued him...Ozzy Osbourne!

The boy was listening to Ozzy on headphones before he killed himself. Specifically, he was listening to a song called "Suicide Solution." The song is actually anti-suicide, including the line that "you can't escape," meaning that suicide is not the way out. But that didn't stop the man from taking Ozzy to court. The title was enough.

Similarly, in the story you discuss, you talk about a woman who had a daughter with a "severe phobia" (Was that her term or a diagnosis from a professional? You don't say.) and who did absolutely nothing to help her. Psychiatrists and psychologists, as well as hypnotherapists, help people with phobias every day. Why didn't this woman get help for her daughter?

Also, in your explanation, there is absolutely nothing which shows that the hypnosis had anything to do with her death. People are traumatized every day and don't die from it. In fact, you have posted nothing to indicate that there is anything associating her death to being hypnotized. But like the uncaring man who blamed his son's death on Ozzy, here is a woman blaming the death of her daughter on hypnosis.

The fact is, in over 10,000 years of practice there is not even one documented case of a person dying as a result of hypnosis. Not one. And this tale told by a distraught woman possibly trying to assuage her own guilt does not disagree with this fact.

Finally, you asked why a person would want to be an entertainer rather than a therapist. For the same reason Beyonce is a singer and not an MD.

[unhypnotizablynot]

Don,

I'll be 100% honest with you and say that I was watching the programme whilst in a "I am very tired and want to go to sleep soon" kind of trance. It had been a long day. Therefore I wasn't paying as full attention to the programme as I might otherwise have been.

Therefore, I was left with more of an 'unconscious general impression' about the programme.

Rightly or wrongly, over the years I have generally grown to trust my 'unconscious general impressions' about things, but not always.

My comment that "It was an interesting and sad programme" is a reflection of this impression.

I personally felt the comments made by the 'victims' of stage hypnosis to be generally quite convincing . And I was less than impressed by some of the dismissive comments made by the stage hypnotists themselves.

Interestingly some of the victims were using professional hypnotherapy to recover the idiotic antics of stage hypnosis.

I stand by my comment "Why anyone would want to be a stage hypnotist rather than a hypnotherapist I shall never understand." To me they truly seem like different worlds.

If these are the two facets of hypnosis, I certainly know where I stand.

Long live Uncle Milty.

[unhypnotizablynot]

p.s. EDIT

spelling error in my previous post:

I said "...to recover the idiotic antics of stage hypnosis", when I meant to say "...to recover FROM the idiotic antics of stage hypnosis."

[unhypnotizablynot]

Another p.s.

Did anyone else on board see the programme, here in the UK???

Would be interesting to hear others' opinions......

[Don]

Don,

I personally felt the comments made by the 'victims' of stage hypnosis to be generally quite convincing .


I have absolutely no doubt that people, looking to blame their own problems on the actions of others and unwilling to accept personal responsibility, can be not just "quite convincing," but totally convincing. Of course, I've also seen some actors be "quite convincing" in their roles. ;)

[Unregistered]

me again (20 year old nursing student)

i saw the programe last night thats what got me thinking about it all and made me do some reserch about hypnosis.
it seems to be a facinating subject with witch i want to find out more.
so how did everyone hear get into hypnotherapy and has anyone got any first hand storys about it all?

[unhypnotizablynot]

:(

Don, since reading your comments in this thread, my purple goldfish has died, and sunk deep.

I blame you for this.

Furthermore, in light of what's happened, it's extremely doubtful that any goldfish will ever speak to you again.

I just hope you can live with that.

:(

[unhypnotizablynot]

......it seems to be a facinating subject......

.......so how did everyone hear get into hypnotherapy......

It's nice to be fascinated, isn't it?

I used to spend hours being fascinated just by watching my purple goldfish, swimming around and around, and as I continued to do so, my mind would just seem to drift away, far, far, far away........

No more.

:(

;)

[Steve]

hello,

Don,

I stand by my comment "Why anyone would want to be a stage hypnotist rather than a hypnotherapist I shall never understand." To me they truly seem like different worlds.

yes, they are different worlds. they just use similar tools. stage hypnosis is about fun and entertainment. hypnotherapy is about therapy. don't you like fun?

[unhypnotizablynot]

don't you like fun?

Watching my purple goldfish used to be fun.

And it's better to be a live goldfish than a dead chicken.

Or so I've heard.

[Steve]

hello,

watching goldfish can be fun. it's just a choice you make

[Unregistered]

listen , you're a nurse. your surgeons use knives yes, they are dangerous in the wrong hands too.

if hypnosis didn't have the power to do damage, it would also not really have the power to good either as good and bad are both sides of the same coin.

to designate an outcome as desirable or damging requires a framework socio-cultural / moral / ethical . all these frameworks are arbitrary and prescribe good/evil only RELATIVELY to a particular goal or project never ABSOLUTELY.(read neitchze or foucault to find out more)

BUT WHEN ONE IS IN A PARTICULAR FRAMEWORK IT IS OFTEN HARD TO SEE IT'S BIAS. does a fish notice the water around it? maybe , but not the same way we do if we go swimming, 'cause we got something (equaly arbitrary) to compare it too ie. being out of the water.

put it this way: next time i'm on the operating slab, i hope the surgeon has shapened his scalpels.



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