Frequency

[Doika]

If I study for about 4 hours/day i'm almost sure that i will learn much more than one who studies 30 minutes. The more you study, the faster you will learn.

does hypnosis work like this? or will it be useless to practice too much hypnosis every day? or will it even be counterproductive?


thanx in advance:D

[Poodle]

Assuming that you KNOW how to practice HYPNOSIS and have had proper training, you can work all day and evening. It's your life. I have found that for me it is best to see no more than 4-5 clients/day thus giving them all my total concentration and attention and my real preference is 2-3 clients/day. Clients come for myriad reasons and some medical referrals take hours and hours and hours of study so that YOU totally understand the problem so you can use the correct useful and beneficial suggestions. For me, inducing trance I sort of go into a trance myself which is not always conducive to "normal" behaviour as in not being able to find things, etc. when clients are not around.

[Doika]

no, i'm doing self hypnosis:eek:

did I post in the wrong section?:confused::rolleyes::D

[Poodle]

Okay, self-hypnosis -- self taught or properly trained? There's a world of difference here. Usually in self-hypnosis one only stays in trance long enough to get the suggestions in and then counting yourself out as in listening to a CD or tape you had made for yourself probably once a day. If you are trying to use mass produced products, you are only deluding yourself and wasting your money. NLP self-talk accomplishes a lot of the same results.

[Doika]

i use both "self-made cd" and mass produced products (actually, i heard of some success from people using them) to make sure (or, atleast, to have the more chances i could) i will accomplish what i want.
And rest assured that i didn't spend money at all:D

However. Either i misunderstood your post or you haven't answered my question.

[Doika]

Okay, self-hypnosis -- self taught or properly trained? There's a world of difference here. Usually in self-hypnosis one only stays in trance long enough to get the suggestions in and then counting yourself out as in listening to a CD or tape you had made for yourself probably once a day. If you are trying to use mass produced products, you are only deluding yourself and wasting your money. NLP self-talk accomplishes a lot of the same results.
ah, i have another question.
IYO, are only affirmations (if properly stated, and if the words used are somehow significant to the subconscious) enough effective to produce changes?
Actually, this was the real reason for me to open this topic.
Because i thought: if i use visualization or some form of hypnosis other than affirmations, i will probably get some results; maybe, if I use affirmations, that are perhaps less powerful that visualizations, but i practice hypnosis many times per day, will I get the same results that i would otherwise get with visualizations?
Does this reasoning make sense?

Hope you'll understand:p

[Poodle]

Why don't you go to your dentist's office and ask to borrow his drill as you have a cavity to drill and fill. You can do it! One needs no knowledge to do anything in life! Why are you bothering to study?

For Heaven's sake -- don't go to a Doctor. Do it yourself!!

Same applies to hypnosis! We just sit around and write stupid messages to each other as we have nothing to do as all our clients have listened to their own CD's or mass produced CD's. THINK!! JUST FOR A MINUTE PLEASE! IF THAT WERE TRUE, WOULD WE ALL BE IN BUSINESS TODAY?:( Gee, would this website even exist as it is a complimentary addition to a school of HYPNOSIS?

You are not going to find hypnosis on a CD, a book, the internet or anywhere else, except at training by Certified Instructors. If you want hypnosis, go to a hypnotist. You need to realize that YOU are UNIQUE. There is only ONE of YOU in the WORLD. Your MIND is UNIQUE as you have had different life experiences than anyone else in the whole entire world. We realize this about you and that is a result of our hundreds of hours of training and file folders full of previous clients.

[Doika]

men, it's AMAZING!!! AHAHAAH:D:D
sometimes i wonder if you are real human beings or just bots who write "tapes don't work blah blah" when they see the words "tape, mp3"
I apologize for being so offensive.
But why don't you just answer my question? If you can't, just keep quiet!
Is yours a polite way to act? no at all!
Did I ask something about tapes? NO!

I didn't want to start an argument like this, however:
1) there are people who tried them and were succesful; well you say "this is the internet" but i have my reasons to believe they're geniuine. however
2) i said that I can't go to an hypnoterapist whatsoever, and if I say I can't, it must be ****in true: a) I'm not even an adult (didn't you realize it?) so neither i am indipendent to go where i want to, nor b) i earn money, nor c) i have money, nor d) my parents would lend me money (actually, to go to an hypnotist you need a LOT of money, isn't that right) because here in my country there's a lot of ignorance about hypnosis, i bet that 70% of people here still believe that hypnosis means "mind control" and a good, say, 20% doesn't even believe that hypnosis exists; so doing hypnosis for a physical change would be utopian; and e) i live in a small town far away from a city where i could find hypnotist. And I say hypnotist, not GOOD hypnotist. Because imho, an incompetent one is WAAY worse than a tape. And my country isn't full of good ones. At all.

This being said, it's worth to try isn't it? Since i can use both a tape of mine (about the "every mind is different" issue, well i've noticed, or think, that 1)with physical changes you don't really need to be too specific, unless the physical problem has a psichological matrix 2) with self hypnosis or self made tapes i shouldn't have this problem should i? and 3) i've noticed that in this hypnotherapy forums there are some hypnotists who claim success with a script they found on the internet; script and tapes mustn't be too much different... why don't you bother them to have been succesful?), a tape of them, and self hypnosis w/o tapes..



So, NOW, could you be so nice to anwser my question? thanks very much:D

[thackaray]

Doika,

The way I see it is that when a client has never experienced hypnosis before, the first time I get them to do a long progressive, then a deepener. This can take from anywhere upto 15 mins. If the client needs extra sessions, then this process will be quicker than before. I love post hypnotic suggestions! :D

When I show my clients how to do self-hypnosis with practise by themselves, they go into a deep hypnosis state more quickly than before.

Now what you didn't ask about was the actual work that goes on inside the mind when you are under hypnosis. Simple answer is that it will take as long as it takes for the subconcious to be willing to accept those new changes/behaviours. The length of time for this happening is different for each person.

[Don]

(actually, to go to an hypnotist you need a LOT of money, isn't that right)D

I dunno. what does "a LOT of money" mean to you?

And is it an assumption on your part that it costs "a LOT of money," or have you actually contacted three or four hypnotists to find out their rates? Many hypnotists have "sliding scales" based on what you can afford, and maybe someone will let you do work around their office in exchange for therapy.

From my experience, most of the people who come here saying they can't afford to go to a hypnotist (instead, they buy tapes which are ineffective and, because they try several, actually cost more than going to a hypnotists would have cost) never contact a hypnotist at all. They just go on the assumption that hypnosis is very expensive.

Likewise, your original question has many assumptions built into it. You wrote:
"If I study for about 4 hours/day i'm almost sure that i will learn much more than one who studies 30 minutes. The more you study, the faster you will learn.

does hypnosis work like this? or will it be useless to practice too much hypnosis every day? or will it even be counterproductive?"

The central assumption you have made is that the paradigm of the way hypnosis works is identical to the one that Western Allopathic medicine--they type you get when you go to a doctor--works. It's not. In standard Western medicine, one cure works for everyone. Give everyone the same shot for the flu and they won't get it. So it follows, if I have problem X, there should be one way to hypnotize everyone and one way to "cure" problem X.

Hypnosis doesn't work that way. People who want to change something have myriad reasons for initially developing that now unwanted behavior. There are numerous methods of hypnosis induction because no single system works for everyone. Then, because there are different reasons for current behaviors, each individual is treated as an individual, with unique suggestions designed just for him or her. It's not a one-size-fits-all system.

There is a belief that "practice makes perfect." This is untrue. Only perfect practice makes perfect. If you practice some music, always playing it wrong, for 20 years, it will not magically become right simply because you practiced it.

Likewise, working with something for four hours per day, if you are not doing it correctly for your needs, will not get positive results compared to someone who practices for 1/2 hour each day but does so correctly.

There is another good saying: "don't work hard, work smart!" Four hours a day is a lot of work. Wouldn't it make far more sense to learn what you need to do just once?

Now, here's the simple truth: a few people learn self-hypnosis from books, tapes, or CDs. Most who buy them don't learn a thing! They give up and say that hypnosis doesn't work. That's like making mud pies and cooking them in a toy oven and then saying you can't cook because they didn't taste like lemon meringue!

In all of your questions and musings, you've dodged the real issue: what are you trying to accomplish? What changes do you want to make in your life?

Now, here's a secret that few people know: all change is instantaneous. It may take years to work up to that change or it may take seconds, but the actual change takes place faster than it takes you to blink your eyes.

The thing is, most people don't know how to work with their minds to make that change. Metaphorically, the subconscious is at odds with the conscious, and it has guards up to protect it. If you are properly trained in hypnosis, you can simply go around those guards and get the part of the subconscious that isn't doing what you want to behave the way you want it to. Other systems, such as positive affirmations and visualizations will work, but they don't go around the guards, they have to bully their way through the guards, and the guards are strong! As a result, it can take weeks, months, or years of doing correct visualizations or affirmations to achieve your goals. Most people give up before them. Some people don't know how to make the visualizations and affirmations correctly, so they never achieve their goals. Those who know how to create visualizations and affirmations correctly will eventually get results. However, simply adding more time in their use doesn't guarantee success. After a certain amount of time you reach a point of negative returns on your work.

IMO, visualizations and affirmations can help cement hypnotic suggestions in place and enhance and extend their effectiveness, but I would spend more then 10 minutes per day working with them.

I hope this answers some of your questions.

[Doika]

yeah, but:
you said that doing something in a perfect way but only spending little time is much better than doing something in the wrong way spending much time.
This is certainly true, for almost everything.
But let's assume that two people that are exactly equal in everything, absolutely identical, decide to practice self hypnosis; the first will practice 30 minutes per day in a perfect way, and the second will practice 4 hours, in a perfect way too.

Which of them will have the best and most rapid results? The 1st or the 2nd one?


Also:
"People who want to change something have myriad reasons for initially developing that now unwanted behavior. There are numerous methods of hypnosis induction because no single system works for everyone. Then, because there are different reasons for current behaviors, each individual is treated as an individual, with unique suggestions designed just for him or her. It's not a one-size-fits-all system."

ok, I know this is true if you want to change your behaviour. But is it the same if you want to change your body?
I mean, if a womam wants to enlarge her breast, the suggestions and methods to use would be quite common, huh?



IMO, visualizations and affirmations can help cement hypnotic suggestions in place and enhance and extend their effectiveness, but I would spend more then 10 minutes per day working with them.


did you mean "I would NOT spend more ec ecc" ?

Or have you written it right? Because, if the phrase is written right, you are answering my first question, i think

[Doika]

One last thing.
Do you know where I live in?
I live in Italy.
believe me, here there are NO prepared or skilled hypnoterapists.
I think that italy is the worst country in the world if you are looking for an hypnotist.

This i know for fact: the few pnl "classes" (is this the right word? i don't know) i pretended were all given by american guys.

I looked for hypnoterapists or organizations in italy, with google and found nothing.

I also found some articles on some (quite serious) websites that say that there are not good hypnoterapists here.

This is mainly because, i've said earlier, there is a lot of ignorance about hypnosis here.
For example, when i turn on my TV, every now and then, on certain programs, i see a guy, a kind of clown, whose name is Giucas Casella, that pretends to be an hypnotist.
But these hypnosis shows here in Italy aren't the kind of "hypnosis stage shows" you, american people, are used to see.
Nooo, this shows are extremely ridicolous!!
This Casella guy says people to, for instance, sit on a chair, and then the joke begins:
"you are getting very sleepy..
now you will do what i want you to do..."
and the guy will act like a somnambulist, doing exactly what Casella tells him, but in the meantime he'll be grinning because of this clowning.

Giucas Casella is quite famous here, because one time he tried to do the "fire walking" thing, but he burnt as soon as his feet touched fire.
I don't know if i can post links, but go to his official website www.giucascasella.it, just to laugh.

Hope you realized...

[Terry (existing)]

Doika, First of all, you ask a question, and some replies are not to your likely, so you get angry. Please understand that those who attend this board and give replies, do so because they wish to help, and not because somebody pays them to, so be gratefull you get replies, even if they don't meet your requirements. Secondly, not everyone who replies is a skilled practitioner, and those who are are too far away to be of much assistance to you. NOW to your complaint that it is impossible to find a hypnotist in Italy, BS my son, you may not have any close by, but Italy is one country among the few that have hospitals dedicated to treatment via hypnosis, or so I understand, though I have not personally visited and only pass on what I have read. As for tapes, nobody is telling you not to buy them, that is a choice you make yourself, but if I tell you they are no bloody good, this is fact based on experience, not the BS you are spouting, so be glad somebody is giving you the facts as they know them to be, and not encouraging you to spend money you claim to have so little of. If a tape works for you good, we are happy for you, but nobody who knows anything is going to encourage you to choose something that only has an insignificant chance of giving you results. Now like it or not, you got good advice, and if it bothers you that nobody is telliing you wnat you wnat to hear, believe that it is you who is on the wrong path not those who know what they are talking about due to experience. Either be gratefull for the replies you got from those who a highly experienced, or cease bothering to ask for advice you don't intend to take.

[Poodle]

Listen to your tape/cd at bedtime every night while drifting off to sleep or once a week. Choice is yours. It's not going to do much anyway. There are many reasons for what you have and "things" may change drastically as you mature. You are still young. Give your body a chance to mature and grow. Also, if you are heavy into sports that will prevent development.

We have told you chances are VERY, VERY HIGH it is not going to work! Affirmations and guided imagery work in the trance state and you don't know how to get there. Wait patiently until you grow up. Stop fretting about nothing and see a hypnotist after you have grown up if your body has not changed, otherwise go get saline implants.

[Doika]

Mhmh, first of all, stop being so "rude" and stop using the word BS, thanks.
Now

Doika, First of all, you ask a question, and some replies are not to your likely, so you get angry. Please understand that those who attend this board and give replies, do so because they wish to help, and not because somebody pays them to, so be gratefull you get replies, even if they don't meet your requirements.
You seem not to undersand.

"excuse me, what time is it?"
"it's raining".

it goes like this in this forum. Hope you understand the "simile" (i'm not good at english so can't explain in other ways:D)


NOW to your complaint that it is impossible to find a hypnotist in Italy, BS my son, you may not have any close by, but Italy is one country among the few that have hospitals dedicated to treatment via hypnosis, or so I understand, though I have not personally visited and only pass on what I have read.
Hospitals dedicated to treatment via hypnosis?
Lead by? Doctors? Surgeons? Psychologists? or hypnoterapists? It sounds very odd to me that here in italy there are entire hospitals dedicated ONLY to hypnosis lead by hypnoterapists, however, i don't know a thing about hypnosis, you are the skilled practitioner (i'm serious), so it's a good news to me; but i'm still far away from convincing my parents to spend hundred of euros for the travels, and the hypnoterapists, for a thing that seems impossible to most.


As for tapes, nobody is telling you not to buy them, that is a choice you make yourself, but if I tell you they are no bloody good, this is fact based on experience, not the BS you are spouting,
No bloody good?
At all?

http://hypnosisonline.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=645

http://hypnosisonline.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=675

Mmmh, just to pick up two random posts.
Adn didn't i already say that some people I know who used the tapes i'm using (and which i didn't spend money for:D) seem to have been succesful?

This is just to say, i KNOW that tapes are absolute BS (you like this word don't you) but, who knows..

[Doika]

Listen to your tape/cd at bedtime every night while drifting off to sleep or once a week.

Affirmations and guided imagery work in the trance state and you don't know how to get there.

good, now you start reasoning. Also, you seem also to be very intuitive huh?:D
But i've noticed that you tend to remark the negative aspects of the things.
There is finally something in this world that works, and i'm not even able to do it! oh my god i'm gonna suicide!

however, just to give you notice, i resolved the "leg tensing" problem. so now i'm able to enter a trance state. Or at least, it seems so. If i wasn't, i wouldn't have started this topic:D
But you don't have to care about this.:D

Ok now i'm really tired.
I think i'm gonna fall asleep in a moment.
Good night to you out there in USA

[Don]

Ciao!

You ask which will be better if the two people are "exactly equal in everything." In my entire life I have never met two people who are exactly equal in everything. Further, your question misses an important part of my response: everyone is unique.

But for the sake of argument, let's say that two people had specially designed for them unique inductions and unique sets of suggestions. Would they have more success spending 4 hours as opposed to 1/2 hour a day? It depends upon the person. Some people may like doing the same thing for four house. I'd be bored to tears and aching to get away far sooner than three hours, so for me, the answer is "absolutely not." In fact, my guess is that for the vast majority of people, spending much more than a 1/2 hour a day giving themselves suggestions for one thing is going to have either no effect or a negative effect compared to doing 1/2 hour. There will be some people who can do more, but from what I've seen, most will not.


Now, let's assume that a some woman wants to increase the size of her bust. Now, psychologists might ask why she wants to do it, and I think it is important to understand the relationship between body image and overall positive self-image. If a woman came to me for this I would certainly work on improving the positive self-image. But that wouldn't be my major question or concern. Rather, mine would be, "why has this woman chosen to have breasts that are smaller in size than she wishes to have?" Now, it could be that at some time in the past she determined that having smaller breasts would be positive. As a result, her mind has convinced her hormones not to induce the changes that her DNA would have normally induced. There may be a variety of other reasons. So while there are some hypnotists who sell a one-size-fits-all CD for this situation, it will only work if the woman is that "size."

There is some anecdotal evidence that indicates hypnosis can be used to increase breast size. I know of no evidence that listening to a CD has any such effect. Nor, in this particular type of work, have I seen any evidence to show that doing work for this goal for 4 hours a day is more successful than doing work for 1/2 hour a day.

And yes, I did mean "I would NOT spend more ec ecc" ? Thanks for catching my typo.

[Poodle]

A couple of weeks ago I was watching TLC on TV and they were doing plastic surgery. There was an adorable little black girl on with a LOVELY body maybe 21 or 22 years of age. She wanted larger breasts so she goes to the plastic surgeon and has implants put in - a B to a DDD. The after pictures looked gross as they did not fit her body at all. It was just awful! Be careful of what you ask for as you just might get it!