Subconscious & God.

[A Religious]

Is our Subconscious connected to the God?

And every movement, thoughts, activities of us controlled by that power?

[kalliste]

Is our Subconscious connected to the God?

And every movement, thoughts, activities of us controlled by that power?

What is the God?
What would be the purpose of God controlling every movemement, thought and activity?
Would anything be different if God did or did not control our subconscious?
If God did control your movement, thoughts and activities, what is the purpose of him asking the question?

kalliste

[Nicholas]

If you ask an intelligent scientist, they will probably say no.
If you ask an intelligent philosopher/religious believer, they will probably say 'why would we do bad things if god controlled our actions, unless he be a god that is just as morally flawed as people.' Or 'Why would god create us only to be a sock puppet show.' Or any number of philosophical debates as to the nature of the question, and the implications decided through reasoned argument.
Finally if you ask a religious pleb, or shmo, they are likely to say yes, or it's possible.

Isn't it a nice get out clause though for murderers, theives, and a great way to dismiss or cheapen any attempt by someone to do good, as they have no control over their actions.
Suicide bombers already use the excuse that god wants them to kill people, but if god's controlling the subconscious reasoning for every thought, then you've got yourself the perfect excuse to do anything you like. Unless of course yours is a teflon god, who is responsible only for the good things people do, and never the bad.

[Merlin]

Your post really doesn't fit here.
You might inquire at
www.christianforums.com

[Poodle]

I you are a Christian, you have no father to look than John 1:11-12 and 1 Timothy 2:3.

[Alonso]

Sir or ma'am, the concept of subconscious as is used in these discussions is a different kind of model than the one used in christian religion discussions. As you have seen from the answers you have received, it just doesn't side with what you had intended to receive as an answer.

Truthfully, these theories have tried to incorporate the theories of religions and of mind. In my personal opinion we try to incorporate information brought about by meditative disciplines in the East for example, as well as spontaneous healing from both East and West disciplines.

In our presuppositions however there is a notion of mind and body, not so much of God. We do have the tools built into these presuppositions to be able to value every person's point of view. That is what we have tried to do when answering your question. The problem is that the answer would be it's not one person's duty to tell, some may say yes and some may say no. The model as we said, or the models, have tools built in to run your mind. Be it that you are a layman, a religious person, a priest, whomever.

The answer is sure, the subconscious is connected to God. I'm not sure how well connected it is with some people though. Neither is it our job to or not to concentrate on it, at least not totally.

[thackaray]

To answer the question posed.

1) Ask a Scientist who follows the theory of Evolution.
2) Ask a Scientist who follows the theory of Intelltigent Design.
3) Ask a Scientist who folllows the Islamic faith.
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etc.

You're going to get differing answers. But you've already made up your mind to the answer.

[Terry (existing)]

I you are a Christian, you have no father to look than John 1:11-12 and 1 Timothy 2:3. Gee Pood; I hope that was just a typo and not a Freudian slip in your spelling of further as father (EG)

[Popye]

Is our Subconscious connected to the God?

And every movement, thoughts, activities of us controlled by that power?

Probably this is the reason that we produce only one Hitler.

[Merlin]

Only one Hitler, but many evil tyrants.
Some worse.

[Jack]

Is our Subconscious connected to the God?

If you believe in God, isn't everything?

And every movement, thoughts, activities of us controlled by that power?

If we are automatons, yes. If we have free will, no.

Jack

[A Religious]

Your post really doesn't fit here.
You might inquire at
www.christianforums.com

I definitely get YES answer from there.

I wants explanation on more scientific basis.

[Don]

Now this becomes very interesting to me.

Science deals with the physical universe. At best is can only speculate on the non-physical. Aristotle (384-322 b.c.e.) wrote about the physical world, then wrote his ideas about what was beyond (meta-) the physical, or "metaphysics."

The concept of a "subconscious," in this sense, is metaphysical. There is no physical structure that is the subconscious. The concept of a subconscious is simply a belief system to help explain the way the mind works.

The idea of a subconscious is like the idea of patriotism. Can you show me a patriotism? Of course not. It's beyond physical. It's an idea. You can show me the result of patriotism, but you cannot show me patriotism itself. Similarly, we can show the results of having a subconscious, but we cannot show you the physical subconscious.

Science deals with the physical. We can deal with the effects of the subconscious, but we cannot show you the subconscious. Therefore, science can work with behavior and behavior change.

But to actually study the subconscious (as opposed to the way it works), requires metaphysical conjecture, not science.

That's why Merlin suggested seeking your answer on a site that deals with metaphysics. They gave you an answer. Until you can demonstrate the physical presence of a subconscious, science cannot do so.

[EC]

Hang on a minute Don;

I saw a "subconscious", "unconscious" or whatever you prefer just today. It weighed about two hundred lbs, and was shaped like a human except that it was completely devoid of consciousness. It had 0 ability to rationalize and simply "reacted" to situations and events with what appeared to be elemental learned behavior !

EC

[Don]

Hang on a minute Don;

I saw a "subconscious", "unconscious" or whatever you prefer just today. It weighed about two hundred lbs, and was shaped like a human except that it was completely devoid of consciousness. It had 0 ability to rationalize and simply "reacted" to situations and events with what appeared to be elemental learned behavior !

EC


I should have written, "excluding politicians.":D

[Leslie M. LeCron]

I definitely get YES answer from there.

I wants explanation on more scientific basis.

Dr. Carl Jung, famous Swiss psychiatrist, believed that the superego is not just conscious but is the most spiritual part of the mind. He termed it the superconscious mind. Jung believed it to be a part of a universal subconscious, directly connected with God, or a part of the Supreme Being. This idea was adopted from some of the Oriental Philosophies.