Fastest Induction Time Possible

[Toad]

Is there is a way induce somebody into a hypnotic trance in an instant without using a post-hypnotic trigger ?

I'm not saying if you know a method like that I'm just asking if it is possible to instantaneously hypnotize someone, or something as close as possible to instant.

[Merlin]

In 1 or 2 seconds, yes.
Is tht good enough?

[Poodle]

Merlin, as usual, is very correct. 1 to 2 seconds.

[Toad]

okay, so now I know it's theoretical possible but has anyone actually achieved it and are you saying some dude could just walk up to me and a second later I'll be under hypnosis ?

[Nicholas]

Yes.

It does depend on how good they are, and how suggestible you are though.

[Don]

I would just like to modify what Nicholas said. His comment that it depends upon how suggestible a person is may imply to some people--especially some of the people reading here with less study and experience--that everyone has a fixed degree of suggestibility. This is not accurate.

We go through different levels of suggestibility throughout the day and even from minute to minute, second to second. Part of the ability to do an "instant induction" is the ability to determine the instant that a person is extremely ready to be hypnotized (i.e., highly suggestible to induction suggestions) and take advantage of it.

So although a person can be hypnotized in a second or two, it may not be every second of the day when that is possible.

[Merlin]

>okay, so now I know it's theoretical possible but has anyone actually achieved it and are you saying some dude could just walk up to me and a second later I'll be under hypnosis ?

YES!
It's a talent *most* hypnotists don't have. In fact, the overwhelming majority of hypnotists out there will tell you it cannot be done. But I can assure you it's possible. It can be done by a few of us (a *very* few).

[Poodle]

Again I side with Merlin. I believe it is a skill that every good hypnotist should have. There are far too many schools that do not teach this and it only serves as a disservice to the students in my mind. Now, as to whether we should hypnotise someone without permission is a whole different story.

[skip]

Toad,

It isnt theory, it is fact.

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[Terry (existing)]

Poodle, thank heavens it is not taught in schools, I can't imagine how it would be misused if it were. Experience and time result in excellence, and also in attitude to what we CAN do and what we SHOULD do, and I would hate to change that. Too teach this to those not yet responsible enough would creat havoc, and if someone chooses to consider that remark elitist, so be it. I'm old enough to know how irresponsible youth is, and having passed that stage, I am now at the stage were I am beginning to understand how foolish the aged can be also. I therefor rely on the in betweens to run things for the benefit of all of us. Don't screw up please.

[Don]

In the middle of February, the American Board of Hypnotherapy is having its annual convention in Souther California. One of the workshops:

Rapid Inductions are a Snap!
By Shelley Stockwell-Nicholas

We all know how to do the Progressive Relaxation techniques. While such tried-and-true methods are almost always successful, just think how much more effective your therapy sessions might be if you could induce trance immediately! Imagine how you might better use that 15-30 minutes of valuable therapy time. You will learn dozens of instant and rapid inductions with "hands-on"practice. With the secrets that Dr. Stockwell-Nicholas will teach you, you will be able to give dynamite demonstrations that bring clients and $$$. Learn how to quickly put your clients in deep trance so that you have more time to help them reach their goals...You will learn:

• The Stockwell "30-Second Zap"
• The Five Principles of Trance
• Mesmerism
• Non-Verbal Induction

If you're interested, contact the ABH.

[error265]

lol.. i cant believe you said only a select few hypnotists can do instant inductions, lol... like its a club or something, lol
Every hypnotist i know doesnt even consider hypnosis to a have a start and finish, i hypnotise people 24/7. and people do it to me, lol.. i must know 100hypnotists and none would claim that instant inductions are possessed by a select few, you guys on this forum are looney

[Poodle]

There are so damn many hypnotists in the USA that know nothing but the relaxation induction. I know many, many schools only teach this. There are also a goodly number of hypnotists that have gone to excellent schools and still only use the relaxation induction. I KNOW!!! I'VE BEEN TO THEM!!! You go in and say the relaxation induction doesn't work on me and what do you get, the damn relaxation induction so you have to stop and ask if they know anything else and they go right back to same ole same ole so don't think you are so cute! Then, they make comments like: "You can resist me all you want, but..." There is a very big difference between being relaxed and being in trance. You are just lucky that you got proper training.

This is a very sore point with me as you can most obviously tell!!

[Poodle]

Terry, I would bet a dime to a donut that you know how! You are correct. It should only be used in the hands of a skilled hypnotist but is that not why one spends thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on training. Why learn half a lesson. Personally, I usually use my "own" very modified Dave Elman (4 minutes max) most of the time and it captures a good 94% of my clients. What about the other six percent? This in no way means that I can't and don't use instant inductions when indicated especially late in the evenings. Sometimes I get bored with the same old induction and like to have a little fun with the induction so I get very creative very fast. Anything in the hands of an unskilled person is a disaster waiting to happen. Are you claiming Dr. Erickson was wrong with his "handshake" induction? I don't think so!! I think it is wonderful to have at least a good 10 inductions at the tip of the tongue so as you are working with the client and you can clearly see it isn't working you can slip to another and they never know the difference. Just part of the plan while the client is constantly being assured that's right or they are doing beautifully. I have stated it before and I will state it again. There is no such thing as a bad client, only an unskilled hypnotist.

[Terry (existing)]

lol.. i cant believe you said only a select few hypnotists can do instant inductions, lol... like its a club or something, lol
Every hypnotist i know doesnt even consider hypnosis to a have a start and finish, i hypnotise people 24/7. and people do it to me, lol.. i must know 100hypnotists and none would claim that instant inductions are possessed by a select few, you guys on this forum are looney But of course we are, if not why would we be communcating with someone who exagerates as you do. Hundreds of hypnotists eh?

[Terry (existing)]

When you consider those who truly spend the money and the time to learn properly, yes indeed they should know many methods, and use non that take more the four minutes in my opinion, and that only at first meeting, since the client has preconceived ideas that should be met. However, the majority of those who attend this board have not paid their dues, and expect to get by with much less skill, and it is they who ask the questions about fast inductions, not those who are skilled. As for Erickson and others, I respect what they have contributed, but haven't read a book for years, depending on my own skills to do whatever is fun for me. I no longer do therapy, just research. Not that I recall saying anything against the handshake induction, but there are so many that I would hesitate to put that one ahead of others I know and use. Disguised methods are best I think...HSA members are all trained in several methods including several such as the handshake method of instant induction.

[Poodle]

But that was not the question -- Can it be done?? We both agree it can be done and we both agree that it should be done in the hands of a skilled professional. There is bound to be a rotten apple somewhere in the barrel but I would imagine that the large majority of people entering this profession are ethical and want to help others be all they can be. Just by my treating this particular lady today which required an instant induction means that a hypnotist in another part of the USA is going to be helping her daughter. That is a double win for our profession. What better referral could I ask for??

[thackaray]

But of course we are, if not why would we be communcating with someone who exagerates as you do. Hundreds of hypnotists eh?

this error geezer is part of a group of Derren Brown wannabies, i.e. the tricks, mentalism, card tricks, quick inductions, stage show stuff, not therapy.

see this website that is part of the group he's involved with

www.superhypnodudes.tk

[Poodle]

Only research, huh? Darn!!! I was really hoping you would be teaching because this old dawg would really love to learn from you!! Guess I'm Florida bound this fall for MORE!!! Would still rather head up your way! Pood

[error265]

this error geezer is part of a group of Derren Brown wannabies, i.e. the tricks, mentalism, card tricks, quick inductions, stage show stuff, not therapy.

see this website that is part of the group he's involved with

www.superhypnodudes.tk (http://www.superhypnodudes.tk)

lol.. i'm about to finish being qualified as a hypnotherapy and NLP Pratitioner.. i've been studying psychotherapy to get certified for nearly a year! - i've been doing psychology and philosophy a levels for a year and a half.. dude.. your way off the mark.. i do therapy most days of the week.
And that group dissolved about 4/5months ago

[Terry (existing)]

It has always been my belief that anyone who lies is ashamed of the truth. I wonder what it is you are ashamed of? Anyway, you should be very careful about whom you lie to, and avoid boards were there are expert communicators...

[error265]

lol... its assumptions like that why i left this board before.

[skip]

"lol... its assumptions like that why i left this board before."

You were here previously, and left?

Forgive me for failing to notice.

What brought you back and how has that worked out for you?

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[Terry (existing)]

How facinating, you leave the board, make no effort to change, and come back expecting the rest of us to change instead. VERY GOOD Huh.......

[Steve]

chiming in
I'm another who uses instant inductions

[Merlin]

And you're foolish enough to come back?
Doing the same thing again but expecting different results?