hypnotic state/trance question

[Ruth2]

I've read where some folks put themselves/get into a hypnotic state to create, as in writing, composing, etc. Is there a state one accesses in creativity that is not a hypnotic state? I know I zone when writing and get really cranky if interrupted but I'm not sure if it's a hypnotic state.

I have been to a hypnotherapist and experienced a hypnotic state before; this doesn't feel that way. This is more like .. okay, here's a weird one for you-- riding on the back of a galloping horse moving in slow motion, a smooth undulation. I perceive a hypnotic state as "thick" and not moving.

Thanks for any input!

Ruth2

[Poodle]

I would definitely say you by-pass your own CF when writing. The difference you have experienced is the "depth" of the hypnotic trance. We generally acknowledge two levels of hypnosis here as you well know -- hypnotized and not hypnotized; however, knowing where you have been, I highly suspect you were ALL THE WAY DDDDOOOOWWWWWNNNNN as in very, very close to the Esdaile State if not nudging it a little.

Hugs~Pood :hyp:

[Ruth2]

Hey Pood! Thanks! I sure try to by-pass the CF when writing. It's not easy. I've found some music that helps. Some of it's not in English so I can listen and hear the "river of words" when I write and still enter the state that I get from the music. It's weird, I know. Some folks just have the right timbre to their voice that gets the creative juices flowing....

I've got to go check out what this Esdaile state is.

Writing's going really well, btw, as long as I don't do something stupid like forget to save. Argh.....

Thanks again! Ruth2

[Merlin]

Hey Pood! Thanks! I sure try to by-pass the CF when writing. It's not easy. I've found some music that helps. Some of it's not in English so I can listen and hear the "river of words" when I write and still enter the state that I get from the music. It's weird, I know. Some folks just have the right timbre to their voice that gets the creative juices flowing....

I've got to go check out what this Esdaile state is.

Writing's going really well, btw, as long as I don't do something stupid like forget to save. Argh.....

Thanks again! Ruth2

why bypass the CF?
it's not needed.

[Ruth2]

Good question. CF= "critical faculties" or at least I thought it did. If so, then that's where my inner editor resides and we have a love hate relationship.

If not then I've probably stepped in it. (Won't be the first time...)

Thanks, Merlin....

Ruth2

[Don]

For some people it's better to put the CF aside during the creation period, then bring it back for the editing period.

[Poodle]

Trust Don. He is a magnificent author/writer and I'm in great expectation of his new novel coming out one of these months. The last was his first "fiction" and it's more than fantastic. He's a multi-talented person that is way too humble IMO. Some people were buying the previous novel multiple times over -- one to read over and over until it wears out and then a nice one for the book shelf and copies for friends and family. Everyone is welcome to read my comments on "my page".

I don't know where Skip's sister writes from but I do know she is quite successful. I'm pretty darn sure that Merlin has authored a few too.

We have some very talented people around this place. :)

Stay well~Pood :pood:

[Ruth2]

CF/editor is okay during the revision/rewrite process but a pain during the initial writing stage. Usually it gives me a very hard time; on this work though it's been easier. Good? Bad? I dunno. I have had a friend checking over some parts for me Maybe that helps. Getting in the flow has been easier too...yay.

Thanks, y'all!

[Vin]

Erickson used to write journal articles at night while in hypnosis. When I went to the hypnotist, a few years ago, I asked for that (I'd like to write scientific papers while somnambulic), unfortunately I think he was not so skilled...


Vin

[Poodle]

sat at his typewriter to write a "script". It would start out about 24 pages, get down to 12, then to 6 and finally to 1 and out of that 1, he had just one single paragraph that he liked. Amazing man!

You need to know the people I know in Italy if you really want excellent work for yourself but you can always do it yourself. Just record it in stages -- induction (STOP) deepener if necessary (STOP) patter (STOP) emerge. It seems as if I do it all together, my patter doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense :confused:

Stay well~Pood

[Ruth2]

Hey Pood!

Sorry I haven't responded before now-- been writing and when that happens, Time becomes extremely fluid and runs away from me. (So does the housework but we won't talk about that.)

I'd have to learn how to do an "induction, deepener, patter and merge" first. When it comes to my mind, I want to be wise.

Thanks for the info and the advice!

Ruth2

[Poodle]

about you Ruth and I suspect you will be finding yourself in a hypnosis class in the not tooooo distant future. It may just be a weekend wonder class but I really believe you will take one.

Kudos on writing flowing -- the housework isn't going to leave so it can wait.

Hugs~Pood

[skip]

Ruth2,

It is all trance, forget hypnotic/not hypnotic; or continue to call it a 'zone' if you prefer.

There is a famous woman writer whose name I dont yet recall who goes into zone and writes for six months. No editing, no review, just stream of consciousness. She says she is 'possessed' or 'channels' someone, becaue she feels essentially completely out of 'control' she jusst lets the creative juices flow, and 'gets the story out'.

Then she spends the next two years with 'her editor' whom he calls 'her mother', arguing, cajoling, and such over the manuscript. What to leave in, take out, change, etc.

And 'together' they produce a finished manuscript for the publisher.

Now none of these 'other people' exist except in her head.

I would suspect that there are two issues you might wish to reflect on.

One is how to get out of the way consciously, and stay out of the way.

The other is how to resolve feeling guilty about 'going off into the ozone' and letting other things go while you are doing the writing.

The latter would be especially hard to do if you arent yet considered a successful writer, much (some) easier after you are recognized.

Gor Vidal said, "I get up in the morning, take a crap, and then let the muse take me."

cheers,

skip

[Ruth2]

Hey skip! Thanks for weighing in.

I'm much more interested in getting out of the way and letting whatever flow. The housework is more of a "I feel guilty because I don't feel guilty" kind of thing.

I did talk to one of my main characters the other day, had a lovely conversation with him. ;) He got me past a stuck point.

Oddly enough I've found listening to music in a foreign language helps put me in the zone to write. Go figure...

Thanks again.

Ruth2

[Merlin]

there are many wonderful trances, many don't bypass the cf
don't get caught up in the technical stuff.

[Ruth2]

Thanks Merlin! Er.. what do you mean about not getting caught up in the technical stuff?

Ruth2

[Merlin]

don't worry about the cf
just trance out

[Ruth2]

Ah, thanks, Merlin! I can do that... ride the wave...

Ruth2