Breathing,why not?

[irisheye]

Ok, I've been having this discussion on another forum.
I've described a couple of breathing techniques for energy and relaxation,and general well being.
I've pointed out that martial artists use it,taoist practioners,yoga etc..to their bennifit and as long as you learn right,it can only help.
But the general consensus seems to be not to play around with your breath,it's dangerous.Your already breathing right?And so on.They even feel that shallow,chest breathing is just fine.
I'm the opposite,and proof that certain breathing techniques work without harm.
Maybe I'm just fortunate to have the right instructors.

So,anybody against breathing?

[TaffyE]

So,anybody against breathing?

No, I do it all the time, even in my sleep

[Merlin]

irisheye,

It's not a part of hypnosis.

>They even feel that shallow,chest breathing is just fine.

Shallow breathing is often indicative of visualisation.
Deep breathing of feeling, and middle breathing of auditory elicitation.

There is no need to change these things.

>So,anybody against breathing?

If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

[Terry (existing)]

So,anybody against breathing? Only if I can choose who breaths the who doesn't.......

[skip]

You know there is a bunch out in California who believe they can get along without air.

I keep a plastic trash bag handy just in case I meet one of them.

They might know something I dont.

skip

[Terry (existing)]

You know there is a bunch out in California who believe they can get along without air.

I keep a plastic trash bag handy just in case I meet one of them.

They might know something I dont.

skip California you say? Isn't that were all the queer ideas come from? (G)...... Perhaps they have learned how to grow gills eh? If so, be sure to put water in that plastic bag, or they'll die......

[irisheye]

Merlin,when you put someone into hypnosis,do you not notice their breath becoming deeper?


As a sign of relaxation it is impossible not to breath deeply.

Breathing with the client is a good way to gain rapport.

It is a part of hypnosis.

[Don]

Hi, Irisheye.

Far be it from me to speak for Merlin, but I will speak for myself.

You asked, "when you put someone into hypnosis,do you not notice their breath becoming deeper?" My answer is "yes, but that's not a deep enough analysis."

During induction, breath tends to become deeper, but during the hypnotic state, while the hypnotist gives suggestions, the depth (measured by how long a breath cycle takes), location, speed of different parts of the breath (i.e., inhale, pauses, exhale), sound and many other items are observed. Each has a meaning which can be learned by training and/or experience. For example, if the lengths of the two natural pauses in a breathing pattern becomes reversed, it may indicate fear. So simply looking for deep breathing, I feel, is not enough.

In your post that started this thread, you wrote, "They even feel that shallow,chest breathing is just fine" (although you don't say whom "they" are, possibly hypnotists). I would respectfully say that depending upon the situation, "shallow chest breathing" is just fine.

Traditionally yogic studies looks at three basic locations for the breath: shallow chest breathing, mid chest breathing, and stomach breathing. During certain practices, yogic techniques suggest that you use a "full" breath, where you breathe high, middle and low. Changes of speed of breath, whether you breathe through the mouth, nose, or both, and even whether you breathe through the left or right nostril are considered important, as is visualization during such breathwork.

Some people will also point out that singers are told to breathe from the stomach. However, professional opera singers, trained in the classic "bel canto" style, will frequently talk about breathing using the entire body, all the way down to the toes.

In my opinion, the key is not just to look for depth, but also to look for "naturalness" (in Sanskrit: sahaja). When a person is out of such naturalness, something is going on in the mind that is powerful enough to change the physical body.

[irisheye]

Don, You take my breath away.:cool:

[Merlin]

>Merlin,when you put someone into hypnosis,do you not notice their breath becoming deeper?

Sometimes.
Not always.
Not everyone is the same.

>As a sign of relaxation it is impossible not to breath deeply.

Is that your belief?
When the mind expects something to happen,
it will go out of its way to create that expectation as a reality.


>Breathing with the client is a good way to gain rapport.

Are we discussing client breathing or you?

>It is a part of hypnosis.

Is it?
What part?

[irisheye]

Hello Merlin, it is a part of hypnosis as when your mind changes states,so does your body,does it not?


As far as rapport,your question makes no sense to me .It is a matter of leading and pacing to gain rapport.

It is a fact that your breathing becomes steadier and deeper as you relax,just try to relax while hyperventilating.

It's true,not everyones the same.

[Simple Guy]

Irisheye,

There are some breathing practices in the martial arts and yoga that are said to be inadvisable for pregnant women, some medical conditions and certain emotional temperaments. So, when you say "it can only help," not necessarily so. People should check with their doctors before engaging in any "breathing" practice that deviates from the normal.

[Merlin]

>Hello Merlin, it is a part of hypnosis as when your mind changes states,so does your body,does it not?

Only sometimes.

>As far as rapport,your question makes no sense to me .It is a matter of leading and pacing to gain rapport.

I thought from the opening post we were discussing the client's breathing.

>It is a fact that your breathing becomes steadier and deeper as you relax

No it's not a fact.
It's a generalisation which will apply most of the time.

>It's true,not everyones the same.

exactly my point!

[irisheye]

That's true simple guy. In fact I have one of those medical conditions(seizures).So I appreciate what you said,good advice.
I guess I was lucky enough to have a good teacher and thinking back I did take it slowly at first,whether or not it was intentional I don't know.

Anyway,thanks for your input people.:)

[Simple Guy]

Irisheye,

Good teachers are a blessing; I have some now and have had others
along the way.

[irisheye]

And it seems there are many lessons to be learned here in the forums.:)