Can I get some suggestions on this dual induction script that I'm working on

[master_debator]

Hey all. Been a while. A while back I started to create this dual induction script, mainly for the purpose of helping people to learn language patterns. This is mainly directed at people who have a pack of the cards either from Anue or from Jamie Smart. I know how everyone feels about pre-recorded tracks, and I personally feel that simply writing this dual induction script has helped me tremendously in learning the language patterns. NOTE: This script is pretty basic and is far from done. One thing I really need to do is to pace and lead in the beginning (PACE you're listening to this track, PACE you can hear this voice in your right ear, PACE this voice in your left ear,PACE hearing the sound of a stream in the background, LEAD realizing that you are listening to this audio track for a particular reason...PACE you're in a comfortable position, PACE feeling the temperature of the air on your skin, PACE feeling the headphones on your skin, LEAD possibly finding yourself noticing particular language patterns emerging, LEAD realizing that sooner or later a person can begin to follow along with their voice, inside their own mind...etc..etc..



Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

http://ia350633.us.archive.org/3/items/DualInduction/dual.xls

[Poodle]

are extremely easy -- one voice can be in English while the other is in a different language and it still works. Dual Inductions are based on the amount of verbage between Person A and Person B which changes during the induction.

Since you are working with the "cards", where are the "fluff" words?

You write about Pace and Lead but yet you have no one with you to pace, pace, pace -- lead. How do you know whoever is listening is in a "comfortable position"?

"AS you are listening to this track, you MAY hear a voice in your left ear OR PERHAPS your right ear or EVEN in both ears and you MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T even heard the sound of a brook yet and MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T thought of all the possibilities of the many ways you can enjoy listening to this recording."

Those are the Ericksonian "fluff" words and examples Jamie has written for you. Erickson NEVER BOXED HIMSELF INTO CORNERS -- every avenue was completely open for his patient to interpret until he reached what he wanted his patient to do which was very short and quick as he did not do DIRECT SUGGESTIONS except early in his career.

What Jamie does have built into the Ericksonian cards of his is: FACT, FACT, FACT AND which is Ericksonian but you cannot assume FACTS. UNKNOWN FACTS are not "pacing".

Go back thru the cards and build this correctly and make Milton proud. :pood:

[master_debator]

First off about the comfortable position, that will be stated in the beginning. The person will be instructed to get into a comfortable position. This track will mainly be for practice for me. Anyhow, this will be a track that has to be used with headphones of some sort. In the very beginning I will have something along the lines of "you should hear my voice in your right ear now...and this voice should be heard in your left ear...if not, switch your headphones around and restart this recording..blah..blah..blah". So logically if the person hears "you can hear this voice in your left ear" that would be a pace...or would it be better with something like you suggested "you may hear this voice in your left ear...and this voice in your right ear"



are extremely easy -- one voice can be in English while the other is in a different language and it still works. Dual Inductions are based on the amount of verbage between Person A and Person B which changes during the induction.

Since you are working with the "cards", where are the "fluff" words?

You write about Pace and Lead but yet you have no one with you to pace, pace, pace -- lead. How do you know whoever is listening is in a "comfortable position"?

"AS you are listening to this track, you MAY hear a voice in your left ear OR PERHAPS your right ear or EVEN in both ears and you MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T even heard the sound of a brook yet and MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T thought of all the possibilities of the many ways you can enjoy listening to this recording."

Those are the Ericksonian "fluff" words and examples Jamie has written for you. Erickson NEVER BOXED HIMSELF INTO CORNERS -- every avenue was completely open for his patient to interpret until he reached what he wanted his patient to do which was very short and quick as he did not do DIRECT SUGGESTIONS except early in his career.

What Jamie does have built into the Ericksonian cards of his is: FACT, FACT, FACT AND which is Ericksonian but you cannot assume FACTS. UNKNOWN FACTS are not "pacing".

Go back thru the cards and build this correctly and make Milton proud. :pood:

[skip]

And which side of the brain is analytical and which is symbolic?

So which ear will you offer logical and which ear will you offer symboloc?

And is that true for everyone?

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[Poodle]

one can get a two book deal out of getting it wrong. :D

Obviously a two book deal holds much more monitary value than a generic CD. ;)

[Five]

Master, when you get weary of the right ear-left ear bit, you should try one of the surround sound programs. The voice can move not only side to side, but front to back and all places in between.

How about music?.....one melody for the right; another for the left.

Add some specific frequency tones.....and/or beats..
Look up a frequency list and use it.

[skip]

Five,

You are right, moving the source point anywhere in 3d space is kwel and tres' effective if you know where the persons 'voices' 'come from'. But just moving it randomly or without knowing what you are doing is nothing more than glitter on a pig

Master wasnt looking to duplicate the self talk, he was looking for a dual induction.

One side of the brain tends to be linear, and logical, the other side symbolic.

Now I KNOW master is diligent enough to want to be sure he takes that into account, and gives input to each side of the brain, that it likes to recieve, (in a dual induction)whereas most (almost all) the other stuff out there doesnt.

And you are right, using the right biural beats and using frequecy to bring the brain into specific states is most effective and the tapes/cd's that make effective use of this are in the top 1% of the stuff out there.

What do you know of the research the Monroe Institute has done?

skip

[Poodle]

if you just want to give nonhypnotic instructions at the beginning before going into what you are proposing to do.

How do you personally "feel" about it? Do you want it ALL to be an induction or do you want to give some basic instructions at the very beginning? You could always have the instructions printed on the label.

From most of the ones I have heard, they go straight into the induction. The only ones I personally make are client specific and I NEVER EVER put the induction on the CD as I have no idea where that CD may end up.

If you can get your hands on Bandler's Hypnosis in Munich, it will give you a much better idea of where you are heading. Perhaps you know someone that will let you borrow it. I don't remember which one it was as it is a large set of CD's. Actually, an excellent product IMO but with all of his material, EXPENSIVE. To me, it seemed to be one of his better products as there are all kinds of interesting lessons on them.

Mind reading here. Possibly what Skip could have been referring to is what is known in our world as a "mismatcher". They are extremely interesting to work with and something not usually covered in any class material. I have no idea what causes this; however, Skip may.

Go back thru the cards and use as many "patterns" as you can and remember to never box anything in. My personal favorite is: Tonight you will dream. You may have wild dreams. You may have mild dreams. They may be memorial or not. At any rate let this be a sign that your mind is integrating everything at an UC level.

There is no way that can be boxed in. He has covered every possibility before giving a very short instruction.

It's only MPO, but I really believe this is why most people fail at Betty's Self Induction as they have yet to understand how Milton worked.

Good luck and looking forward to seeing something more. I know you can do it. You had a good Instructor.

Pood :pood:

[master_debator]

Skip, after listening to a couple of the HPP tracks I understand the importance of having logical and symbolic elements. Dr. Lloyd Glaumberman has created some really nice pieces. At first I was debating on whether or not I wanted to have one side with more logical suggestions and one side more metaphorical. Like I said from the get-go, this started out as mainly practice for me to use language patterns, and what not. Lets say I have some logical suggestions in one channel ("A person may find that in the coming days and weeks ahead, that their unconscious can begin to assimilate these patterns, etc..etc..)...what would be good metaphorical/symbolic elements to include in the other channel?

Also, you or someone else mentioned that not everyones brain is wired up the same, and that some people might have logical elements on the right side and symbolic elements on the left side, and vice versa. Is there any easy way to test this? If there is, it seems like I could just have the person reverse the headphones. "If threw the self-tests you have discovered that you lean more towards symbolic elements in the right side of your brain you should be hearing this in your right ear, etc..."





One side of the brain tends to be linear, and logical, the other side symbolic.

Now I KNOW master is diligent enough to want to be sure he takes that into account, and gives input to each side of the brain, that it likes to recieve, (in a dual induction)whereas most (almost all) the other stuff out there doesnt.