Questin about the new Online Certification NLP Course from NLP.com

[KJ1]

I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this course? I'm extremely interested in learning NLP and was amazed when I came across this and found out you can certified online. Amazing.

I'm sure it's just as good as in-person training because it's done through a webcam, right?

[skip]

"I'm sure it's just as good as in-person training because it's done through a webcam, right?"

About the same as 'in person' sex verses webcam.

Now if web cam sex is just as good as in person for you ... then go for it.

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[Poodle]

to say the least as Dr. Matt has always required SOME PERSONAL attendance to be anything.

By whom or what are you a Practitioner or Master Practitioner of NLP? It looks to me to be a "test drive" for Dr. Matt and staff as not many people are being accepted. Do you really want to be part of a "test" program or do you really want to get down to the business of learning NLP, in person, as NLP was made to be learned.

Compare it to: Can the internet teach you how to ride a bicycle or can the internet teach you how an apple pie smells and tastes?

Can you learn something from this course? I'm quite sure you can but it will pale in comparison to a live course so I'd rather hop over to beautiful Hawaii and learn in person. Even Bandler-LaValle have been tossing around the idea of an internet course. If they do, I can promise you it will not come with the same certifications as their live courses.

[Connie]

I don't know anything in particular about the class you mention, but I also vote for in the flesh training. This methodology is meant to be experienced--and nothing takes the place of live practice parthers and excellent and watchful trainers who gauge your level of comfort and understanding and give YOU targeted feedback.

[Poodle]

Towards the beginning of a NLP class, one learns Kinesthetic anchoring. I had it in my mind that it was a "heavy" touch. Where I got that idea, I don't know so we started on different states and I was anchored and was I ever surprised. It was a gentle touch on my back but very effective. Tell me please exactly how you are going to anchor Kinesthetically when you are being fed visually and auditorily? How are you going to know exactly what that anchor feels like without feeling one and then who are you going to anchor and to what state. It's totally impossible. We have 5 senses and NLP is based on senses and you are only receiving two of them on webcam.

We have a strange concept about NLP. We use NLP to teach NLP which means no boring lectures or reading out of a book. It's a totally different way of learning and teaching which is much more effective let alone a heck of a lot of fun and a place where you will make forever friends. NLP is an experience and a fantastic experience. It is the beginning of a new life as you have left all your limiting and negative beliefs behind at the training and come out totally trance-formed. This comes about by practice on and with other students so we can see for ourselves that you got it or not and if it's "a not", then we can step in right then and there and set it right.

Some people have visited this Forum that have purchased NLP DVD's and let me tell you those people do not understand NLP in the least and are a real danger to anyone near them. They watched. They heard and they did not understand at all.

[Don]

Year ago, when I first started teaching classes, I would give 1 class a week for 8 weeks sessions and assign homework. Initially, I had about 85 percent of the students finish the course. Over the years, however, this went down in percentage.

Now, I won't waste my time giving classes like that. I will give one session, one, weekend, or one consistent week classes, and they are quite successful keeping people involved.

Unless there is a strong motivating factor, people of their own will don't come to extended trainings. People get not just what they pay for, but also they get back in relationship to the energy they put into something.

There are several NLP courses available via DVD (check out eBay) and some on-line courses. They are much cheaper and don't take anywhere as much energy input as do in-person courses. You will get much less. You may get a certificate, but deep down inside you will know that you're a fraud and didn't get the real training.

The training business--and I will give trainings but I don't consider myself as part of that business at this time--is one of numbers. Give trainings and certificates to people who attend, not who necessarily master the skills. Why? Because then you can get them into the next training and the next. It's not Scientology with spiritual intimidation (you're not enlightened unless you pay for more courses), but some people become training junkies--which is probably far better than smoking, overeating, or doing drugs. They follow one trainer through all his/her trainings, then switch their addiction to another trainer.

There are some people who denounce this business. They will have their cat sign up for training or lie on forms and get their cat certified. The dirty truth is that 95+ percent of those who are certified do nothing with their certification except hang them on a wall.

So, by all means buy CDs and take on-line versions of what are designed to be experiential courses. You'll know what you really got. You'll know what you really received. You'll know whether you are really able to help someone in need using the techniques that are taught.

There are lots of books on surgery, but there aren't many surgeons compared to the number of books sold. I imagine that there will be lots of people who receive certification in NLP from DVDs and on-line courses. That doesn't mean they will be master practitioners of NLP, it just means they finished the course.

That being said, I think such courses are probably great for people who want to learn about NLP or refresh their in-person trainings. Perhaps it will whet the appetite for real training. So I'm in favor of having more of such courses, as long as people who take them understand exactly what they are.

[Poodle]

I just could NOT believe it so I took a look for myself and there they were. Checked on a few of them and my mind went "that figures". Thanks for the "clue".

Pood

[skip]

2nd best will always be 2nd best, and 3rd will always be 3rd.

It has nothing to do with what the course offers, it is the lack of feed back ... immediate feedback ... that is the issue for me.

I can watch all the 'How to Waltz' videos or cd's I care to but they dont come close to actually geting on the dance floor with a partner and a coach in attendance. No matter how much energy I put into swirling around the living room going 1-2-3; 1-2-3; 1-2-3 ...

Did you learn to dance with an LP record and those foot prints you laid out on the floor or was it with a real person in your arms sweating it out on a dance floor.

And if you never learned to dance, well there you are. You didnt get it from listening to the music or watching "Dancing With the Stars".

Now will my CD work help when I get to the 'real thing' maybe maybe not. I may have learned something that helps or I may have to unlearn some very bad habits. Ones a coach would have spotted and nipped in the bud.

It goes without saying that a quality CD or video will benifit someone who already has training. And it can benifit someone who has none yet.

But until you can see facial flush, carotid artery pulsing, unconscious ideomotor movement, hear breathing rates, etc, of someone YOU are actually working with, you arent getting the feedback you need to learn.

Is it better than nothing.

If it is better it isnt much, if not it hurts.

At least that is my take.

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[Poodle]

that Dr. Matt and staff do good work in person as numerous graduates have posted here and they do know what they are writing about and they do have the ATTITUDE.

Re: Skip's metaphor. My dancing lessons were in person and every week I would get smacked hard by the instructor. Why? I wanted to lead and it took a lot of smacks to get that out of my mind. Thankfully in NLP we don't smack the students. :-)

Pood