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unknown101
07-07-2009, 04:14 PM
Yes - I do see hypnosis as a fake. It's an agreement between the powerful (the hypnotist) and a powerless (the hypnotized) person to make a little show out of being "hypnotized".
It is a very complex psychological event - but it's fake as you well know. Nobody is ever "hypnotized". It's an adventure in high and low - power and powerlessness - giving order and taking orders.
When a hypnotist has a stage show they have spotters who watch for people as they come into the theater - the spotters spot out the people who look as if they can be "hypnotised" - who want to play the game. It's a chance for these people to be actors on a stage - pretend they're a chicken.
And changing the unconscious? You can change it some by attempting to understand it. But finally it's the whole of life in your body - that is too deep a well to ever "change". It might change you...
i asked him to explain the high and low but he never answered back. i was just wondering if you guys can give some comments on this email i got:)
Edmond Halley is most famous for observing a comet and getting it named after him. In a discussion with one of the most important men in the history of science, sir Isaac Newton, Halley said that he didn't believe in astrology.
Newton, the man who revolutionized science with his codification of physical laws. His book, published in the 17th century entitled Philosophić Naturalis Principia Mathematica is considered to be one of the most influential books in the history of science.
Newton's supposed response to Halley: "Sir, I have studied it, you have not."
[To be fair, some have stated that this response is a myth. However, it is a fact that Newton's scientific publications were but a small amount of his writings. The vast majority were on such topics as religion, alchemy, and other forms of occultism.]
Your unnamed emailer, in this instance, doesn't know what he's talking about. How do I know this? For the same reason Newton did: Sir, I have studied it, you have not.
1. By not defining what he means as hypnosis he can say whatever he likes about it and it's impossible to prove him wrong.
2. There have been many hundreds, probably many thousands of papers on hypnosis that have appeared in peer-reviewed scientific journals, making his claim that hypnosis is "fake" demonstrably false.
3. Stage hypnotists don't need to have spotters as described in his email. It's too easy to find appropriate participants without (having to pay for) them.
4. Stage hypnosis is not hypnotherapy. The goal is to entertain. If someone can go on stage and give the appearance of being hypnotized and be entertaining (and amenable to following the hypnotist's suggestions), he or she might be kept. But it's just too easy to get participants who are hypnotized to require this. There used to be some fake stage hypnosis shows that carried actors with them who would come on stage, pretend to be hypnotized, and make fools of themselves. Some of these actors could actually "turn off" their pain receptors and show how they became impervious to pain. They were called "horses." My guess is that they used self-hypnosis or that the appearance of pain was a magic trick.
5. His or her comment concerning changing the unconscious makes no sense. How do I know this? Sir, I have studied it, you have not.
I used to try and prove that such people were wrong and/or idiots. However, it's not worth my time. They're not important enough or of value enough in my life to make me want to waste my time making fools of their lack of knowledge. Now, I just say something like "It's sad that you've chosen to believe that. But that's your choice." Then I change the subject to something they're more familiar with such as comic books or the Jonas Brothers.
It is really amazing how some people try to justify their beliefs. High, low what?
Vin
What an uninteresting trance HE is in.
skip
I dunno, Skip. I find that particular trance, the "I don't know anything about it but it doesn't fit into my preconceptions therefore I have to debunk it without any documentation to support my claims" to be an interesting trance. I've met many people in this trance and they can't seem to understand that their total lack of research or following the scientific method does not make them a supporter of science as they usually claim to be. Freud called this inability to deal with a desire to support science combined with the lack of anything scientific as "cognitive dissonance." It generally results in anger and denial when you try to point out what they're doing.
Poodle
07-08-2009, 04:33 PM
who that person is and his specific reasons (or lack thereof) for writing what he wrote. Perhaps the source could be mentioned in a PM. I actually feel sorry for people that are so absolutely "stuck". Ignorance is not a good quality to be fostered or is this just plain old stupidity.
In a way it reminds me of Mom as she always thought the people in a stage show were actors until her daughter put her in a darn good trance and did some fun Deep Trance Phenomena. She changed that tune really quickly. One would also need to have looked at her age, her access to hypnosis and the culture that has prevailed in this part of the USA. For me the first step in breaking down that ill formed belief was very simple, every day arm catalepsy. You cannot deny it when you cannot move your arm -- PERIOD! To us it's nothing and to them it's absolutely fascinating.
And, like Skip, I prefer to believe in possibilities instead of impossibilities
I LOVE HYPNOSIS!
Pood :love:
Ah Don but that is why I find it so uninteresting. It is dime a dozen, run of the mill, found everywhere, trance.
As unique as gravel.
cheers,
skip
unknown101
07-12-2009, 08:59 AM
hey guys thanks for all the replies, thought i should of just shared what he wrote
more on this, i was asking a question on yahoo answers about autosuggestion method (funny, i know, but there are actually quite a few pro hypnotherapist on there). anyways he responded in my thread saying autosuggestion won't work, he wrote some other garbage, then i emailed him and asked him what he though about pro hypnosis. and that is what he wrote :rolleyes:
Poodle
07-12-2009, 01:26 PM
Would be the last place on Planet Earth that I would ask questions regarding hypnotherapy/hypnosis. Other than this Forum where one can receive honest answers from those that do and are, I know of a few more but some of them are HIGHLY moderated. Merlin even has a fabulous FAQ written out so it is easily understandable. We have a fantastic book list and you want to ask questions on Yahoo. At least I can write that you are very typical for your age group.
Had a water pipe break and there's water all over. I'll log on to Yahoo to find out what I should do. Mmmmm, interesting! Suggesting an electrician. Wow! Top answer and person has lots of "points". I had better call that electrician nnnooowwwwww!
Pood :rolleyes:
unknown101
07-12-2009, 03:46 PM
Would be the last place on Planet Earth that I would ask questions regarding hypnotherapy/hypnosis. Other than this Forum where one can receive honest answers from those that do and are, I know of a few more but some of them are HIGHLY moderated. Merlin even has a fabulous FAQ written out so it is easily understandable. We have a fantastic book list and you want to ask questions on Yahoo. At least I can write that you are very typical for your age group.
Had a water pipe break and there's water all over. I'll log on to Yahoo to find out what I should do. Mmmmm, interesting! Suggesting an electrician. Wow! Top answer and person has lots of "points". I had better call that electrician nnnooowwwwww!
Pood :rolleyes:
hehe, yes i have read merlin faq very much so! I am the biggest idiot though. i got three books all related on bio-hypnosis stuff, but none of them teach you anything :(. I plan to get hypnotherapy by dave elman, i really want to learn those quick inductions
I should be start my self hypnosis stuff tomorrow after i record my suggestions. I got this sweet induction audio from a *pro* hypnotherapist. its none of that progressive relaxation stuff. Its only like 8 minutes and my whole body feels so numb half way in. another things i noticed listening to it is i lost my hunger and was able to sleep much better.
Poodle
07-12-2009, 05:15 PM
Hypnosis and hypnotherapy need to be learned IN PERSON with lots of practice on other students with the instructor watching so any and all mistakes can be taken care of immediately.
Would you like to be your own MD, surgeon and dentist too?
In our world, the induction is the EASY part. What follows next is where skill level comes in.
unknown101
07-12-2009, 06:34 PM
Hypnosis and hypnotherapy need to be learned IN PERSON with lots of practice on other students with the instructor watching so any and all mistakes can be taken care of immediately.
Would you like to be your own MD, surgeon and dentist too?
In our world, the induction is the EASY part. What follows next is where skill level comes in.
There is denying that :)
Poodle
07-13-2009, 11:10 AM
I posted a question on there and to date no one has dared to answer it as it requires skill from someone that is a certified hypnotherapist and/or Certified Instructor of Hypnotherapy.
Sorta tells us the "quality" and veracity of the answer(s) you received, huh? :eek:
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