Music?

[Shuriken]

I've been seeing a lot about musical geniuses lately, composers, piano players, etc.

One boy, seems to be a normal kid who has musicl running through his brain.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/24/60minutes/main657713.shtml

One, and others, are handicapped, but have amazing gifts, perfect pitch hearing, impeccable relative pitch hearing, a seemingly innate knowledge of music 'theory'.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/20/60minutes/main957718.shtml
I was wondering if any of the experienced practitioners here have any comments on music and humans. Do you feel these talents are results of unique genetics and environment, and in the case of savants, specific handicaps, or something native to all of us that is simply brought out by genetics and environement in these people?

Thanks for any input.

[chillowack]

Interesting subject, but where's the hypnosis connection?

If you had asked about the power of hypnosis to unlock musical genius, or something like that, I would be inclined to join you in this discussion.

As it is, though, this sounds like one of any number of fascinating tangents we could veer off on if we don't stay focused on the subject at hand, which is hypnosis.

[Shuriken]

Interesting subject, but where's the hypnosis connection?

If you had asked about the power of hypnosis to unlock musical genius, or something like that, I would be inclined to join you in this discussion.

As it is, though, this sounds like one of any number of fascinating tangents we could veer off on if we don't stay focused on the subject at hand, which is hypnosis.

Hmm, I thought it would be implied that I was trying to relate this to hypnosis. Upon re-reading it, I obviously didn't make that clear.

So, does anyone have any input on hypnosis developing musical abilities, or even 'genius'?

Personally, I am getting frustrated after years of practice and still not being able to play the guitar and sing (if you can call what i do singing) at the same time. Of course, I AM male, so I'm not 'supposed' to multi-task.

[chillowack]

Well, we know that hypnosis is a means of directly accessing the subconscious mind, which is where most of our beliefs about ourselves are stored.

Some of the beliefs stored in our subconscious mind are negative and/or limiting, and hypnosis can help us change or eliminate those beliefs.

Some examples of negative or limiting beliefs might be...

"I can't play the guitar and sing."
"What I do can't be called singing."
"I am a male and therefore locked into stereotypical male behaviors."
"I am not supposed to multi-task."

...all of which appear to exist in some form in your own mind, if your post is any indication.

Which is good news, actually; because it suggests that if you change these negative beliefs (for instance, through hypnosis), you may see your musical ability start to improve.

[Shuriken]

I'm going to give this a last bump in hopes of salvaging it.

[Simple Guy]

Shuiken,

Nature and nurture affect musical ability. In cases of savants
or those with musical genius among some with autism,
i.m.o., it is likely that nature (or developmental alteration of natural
structure and function) play a higher role. I haven't opened the
links you provided, so I'm not sure if this input is what you
were seeking. Your questions, though, seem relevant to
some of the issues that arise at this forum.

[Jack]

Hello Shuriken,

You are as capable as anyone, male or female, of multi-tasking unless you are brain damaged. Ignore media hype and the braying of self interest groups.

In another thread we talked about human potential and whether potential is limitless. I maintain that it isn't and that there are degrees of potential and each one of us has a unique and flawless capacity to do some things which others cannot do as well. Conversely, others have the same capacity to do things better than we can.

What hypnotherapy (not hypnosis - that's just a technique) can do very well is extrapolate the potential you have to its ultimate manifestation. NLP can also do this. If you have the vocal equipment to be Whitney Houston, with the aid of either you can sing as well as her. However, it is unlikely that you will sing exactly like her since you are you and not her.

For many years I tried to play the acoustic guitar like John Williams and failed. So I switched to Manitas del Plata and failed again. Now, I play like me, and they can both eat their hearts out.

Jack


Hmm, I thought it would be implied that I was trying to relate this to hypnosis. Upon re-reading it, I obviously didn't make that clear.

So, does anyone have any input on hypnosis developing musical abilities, or even 'genius'?

Personally, I am getting frustrated after years of practice and still not being able to play the guitar and sing (if you can call what i do singing) at the same time. Of course, I AM male, so I'm not 'supposed' to multi-task.

[Terry (existing)]

I am surprised nobody gave you the simple answer by now. I for example have two sons, both of whom play the guitar, but here the comparison ends. The oldest is genious level when it came to learning music and musical instruments, and learned in a matter of weeks, while the youngest took about seven years to become good, but today is much better than his brother. Now fact is, it took determination to learn continually, and he had it, while his brother lacks such drive and will quit if something proves difficult. Now let me ask you, would it matter very much if it took you that long to learn if you were enjoying the learning? See, hypnosis can be used to change your attitude and make learning fun, in which case, you will both learn faster, and enjoy the process more. Who really cares if you become good enough to strut your stuff on stage or not? Oh yes, as to the voice, well the oldest has performed at pubs etc, and has no problem singing, though he is tone deaf. He used to carry his guitar with him on camping trips and start sing songs round the campfire, and nobody cared that he didn't have a fine voice, they enjoyed the guitar and the enthusiasm. The youngest on the other hand, finally got up the nerve to sing solo in church, and is now catoring to the enjoyment of many with his very fine voice. Both have found enjoyment in their lives, and deserve it, but both are very different in both talent and nature. Did hypnosis help them? I have no idea, they did work with me on research projects when they were in their teens.....

[Wintermute]

It may interest you to learn that I am a savant myself, (not of the idiot type)
people like me are 'disabled' in some way, wheter phsycial, or mental. I am phsyical, and as such am confined to a wheelchair.

I am a savant in the way of lanuaguge, music and art. But take my joy in psychology.

Im sure you've heard of the brain's flexabity, when the brain is damaged, it 'increases' the effeicny of the other regions.


-Wintermute