Mixed Hypnotherapy Script for Smoking Cessation

[iseeukatchu]

Can anyone refer me to some scripts that are free that would be good to use in smoking cessation that would be balanced in direct and inferential direction. In short they could work with either a phys. or emo :confused: I have been looking at a few, some I find are too long.

The same for weight loss.:confused:

Thanks in advance a soon to be MH.:)

[Terry (existing)]

Can anyone refer me to some scripts that are free that would be good to use in smoking cessation that would be balanced in direct and inferential direction. In short they could work with either a phys. or emo :confused: I have been looking at a few, some I find are too long.

The same for weight loss.:confused:

Thanks in advance a soon to be MH.:) I suppose you could just say "stop", and if that didn't work, "You hate cigarettes". IF all else fails, regress to age five, and tell them they are too young to smoke. Me, I work with a client not a script, and the only ones I know of are on this board, but it does take effort to find them.

[iseeukatchu]

I suppose you could just say "stop", and if that didn't work, "You hate cigarettes". IF all else fails, regress to age five, and tell them they are too young to smoke. Me, I work with a client not a script, and the only ones I know of are on this board, but it does take effort to find them.

Yes of course one works with the client...the response seems a little simplistic. There is very little scientific support for hypnosis used alone in smoking cessation ( I have done a literature search). Thanks for taking the time to reply anyway. I did find some on the board however I want to compare different ones.

[Don]

You're absolutely right, iseeukatchu, there is no research showing that "hypnosis used alone" helps with smoking cessation. However, there is so much evidence showing that hypnotherapy used by a trained and experienced hypnotherapist on a one-to-one basis with a client is successful that I'm surprised you're having difficulty finding evidence of its effectiveness.

[Terry (existing)]

Yes of course one works with the client...the response seems a little simplistic. There is very little scientific support for hypnosis used alone in smoking cessation ( I have done a literature search). Thanks for taking the time to reply anyway. I did find some on the board however I want to compare different ones. Sorry if my reply proved too symplistic for you, it was delivered, tongue in cheek, since I noted that it was scripts you were seeking, not just for something simple, but for smokers and the obese, therefor just about any reply would have been good enough, since any and all replies would have been useless.... You will be wasting your time if you choose to study scripts for complicated problems, since no such thing exists, any more than proof of hypnosis exists.... As for scripts on obesity, please send my any you find which allow for the dozens of psycological reasons for obesity that I have found over the years. Such a script would be amazing, and I would love to read it.... You are quite correct by the way, hypnosis alone doesn't work, which is why scripts don't. Hypnosis applied by the skilled and imaginative practitioner works just fine.

[iseeukatchu]

Sorry if my reply proved too symplistic for you, it was delivered, tongue in cheek, since I noted that it was scripts you were seeking, not just for something simple, but for smokers and the obese, therefor just about any reply would have been good enough, since any and all replies would have been useless.... You will be wasting your time if you choose to study scripts for complicated problems, since no such thing exists, any more than proof of hypnosis exists.... As for scripts on obesity, please send my any you find which allow for the dozens of psycological reasons for obesity that I have found over the years. Such a script would be amazing, and I would love to read it.... You are quite correct by the way, hypnosis alone doesn't work, which is why scripts don't. Hypnosis applied by the skilled and imaginative practitioner works just fine.

So you have given me some things to think about.:rolleyes: I have been reading some of the other postings or replys such as yours and at least one other moderator and I was kind of wondering if the seasoned experienced....qualified hypnotherapists are like some old nurses being very nasty to the newbee's. Even those seasoned ones had to start somewhere or does some kind of amnesia come into play.:confused: Skilled imaginative practioners all start at some point.

[iseeukatchu]

You're absolutely right, iseeukatchu, there is no research showing that "hypnosis used alone" helps with smoking cessation. However, there is so much evidence showing that hypnotherapy used by a trained and experienced hypnotherapist on a one-to-one basis with a client is successful that I'm surprised you're having difficulty finding evidence of its effectiveness.

In terms of current medical literature there are some types of problems that hypnosis is gaining stronger support as a theraputic technique. Any type of therapy if it is one -to- one could be benifical whether it is a counsellor, a pastor, peer support, social worker, nurse, doctor, teacher and bartender. Yes I am only finding evidence of the effectiveness of hypnoisis in certain areas. So if you have double blind or clinical/ randomized, meta-analysis or other literature to support your claim...so much evidence.... I would be happy to read these source referances.

[Don]

You're absolutely correct. Medical literature from MDs and medical researchers looking for new drugs is not going to find hypnotherapy as a viable alternative. After all, if hypnotherapy were shown to be effective, the billions of dollars made in selling stop-smoking patches, gums, and other items, as well as the tens of billions spent on physicians treating the results of smoking would be lost! Do you really think MDs are going to cut off their mode of living? If you came up with a drug that would prevent dental cavities and gum disease, do you honestly think dentists would allow it to be made available?

Until the end of the 19th century, there were several forms of medicine that were available to people. Allopathic physicians joined together to form the American Medical Association (AMA) and worked to make their form of medicine the only "real" form of medicine.

As with other forms of medicine, such as naturopathy, hypnotherapy functions under a different paradigm than does allopathy. As a result, trying to test hypnotherapy by allopathic means would include such things as having a single, written script and testing it on a variety of people, usually given by someone with no training in hypnosis. Gee, I wonder why they don't show hypnotherapy as being a successful modality. LOL!

The bottom line, IMO, is this: give me ten people who really want to stop smoking and I'll have them all quit smoking in one session. Period. Will I use the same method on all of them? No. Will it work on people who really don't want to quit? No.

Since I would have to custom tailor treatment to each person, it is impossible to make a double blind experiment. But by those tokens, chemotherapy would be outlawed as each treatment is custom compounded for each patient, making such experiments impossible.

[Terry (existing)]

So you have given me some things to think about.:rolleyes: I have been reading some of the other postings or replys such as yours and at least one other moderator and I was kind of wondering if the seasoned experienced....qualified hypnotherapists are like some old nurses being very nasty to the newbee's. Even those seasoned ones had to start somewhere or does some kind of amnesia come into play.:confused: Skilled imaginative practioners all start at some point. They do indeed, and you may well see us as rude if you choose. However, I must ask you the question, why do you suppose us to be rude? Why not annoyed at questions that obviously come, not from newbees, but from those who think to learn from books and from this board, without taking proper training? This is a profession we practise, and we wish to have only the best beside us as we promote hypnosis.... I don;t know you, and you don;t know me, but I do know I have many many friends, and I do mean friends, not aquaintances. I know I have left behind many grateful clients since I retired, so I find it hard to see myself as rude, since it is unlikely I would have so many friends and happy clients if I were. On the other hand, if I am to spend time on this board along with many other caring and skilled practitioners whom I respect, I believe we in turn should not put up with just any fool who owns a computer, and wishes to post a damn fool question based on ignorance, which is what we frequently get. You do indeed get the reply that is warranted by your post. Sometimes it can be harsh, due to an inability to communicate via the written word, but that is hardly our fault, we didn't suggest you waste time in school instead of learning English composition now did we? Other times, it is clear that the poster has no idea of how hypnosis works, but thinks they do. I have no intention of wasting my time on the silly, or the careless question. For example, you asked about a script for weight loss. I have been working on a new teaching program on this one subject, even though I have worked with the obese, and have been in practise for thirty seven years. Do you suppose I should be kind to you who obviously has no clue as to how complicated this is, but wish to use it regardless? If you are as smart as I hope you to be, you will take proper training, and spend the time practising until you have the required skills instead of playing about online. Your protestations do you no good, and won't get you the knowledge you need to practise, so please save us all and get what you need to be good at it instead of useless.... NOW is that rude, or is it honest comment, put in a forcefull way?

[iseeukatchu]

You're absolutely correct. Medical literature from MDs and medical researchers looking for new drugs is not going to find hypnotherapy as a viable alternative. After all, if hypnotherapy were shown to be effective, the billions of dollars made in selling stop-smoking patches, gums, and other items, as well as the tens of billions spent on physicians treating the results of smoking would be lost! Do you really think MDs are going to cut off their mode of living? If you came up with a drug that would prevent dental cavities and gum disease, do you honestly think dentists would allow it to be made available?

Until the end of the 19th century, there were several forms of medicine that were available to people. Allopathic physicians joined together to form the American Medical Association (AMA) and worked to make their form of medicine the only "real" form of medicine.

As with other forms of medicine, such as naturopathy, hypnotherapy
functions under a different paradigm than does allopathy. As a result, trying to test hypnotherapy by allopathic means would include such things as having a single, written script and testing it on a variety of people, usually given by someone with no training in hypnosis. Gee, I wonder why they don't show hypnotherapy as being a successful modality. LOL!

The bottom line, IMO, is this: give me ten people who really want to stop smoking and I'll have them all quit smoking in one session. Period. Will I use the same method on all of them? No. Will it work on people who really don't want to quit? No.

Since I would have to custom tailor treatment to each person, it is impossible to make a double blind experiment. But by those tokens, chemotherapy would be outlawed as each treatment is custom compounded for each patient, making such experiments impossible.

I appreciate your thoughtfull reply and am familiar with the agument you presented so well. This argument has been used in relation to something along the lines of doctors blocking a cure for cancer as this would impact on their earnings if it ever became a reality...so I spoke to may doctors and asked them the question some actually many became quite inflamed and responded that they really love people as well as cannot stand to see people suffering with pain and they could care less about making money from people because they were sick from cancer. I really think the pharmaceutical companies:mad: are the bigger badder richer guns along with the health insurance companies:rolleyes: .

I really like the emphasis you make on custom tailoring for the clients and as I am a beginner in this field I am learning and there has not been a big empahsis on tayloring to individual clients in my course. We have a gazzilion of scripts for all sorts of differnt things but mostly we are practicing the master level and doing the inductions, deepeners and tests and getting the sequencing down so we can go through it with out notes and of course practice, practice.

[iseeukatchu]

I am a newbee and I am learning and asking questions. One thing about communicating in this type of format is the problem with interpretation as there is no body language to go with it so one can have difficulty with tone as well as errors in understanding intent.

Let me see if I understand the point you are tying to make; Hypnotherapy needs to be learned properly not out of books or on CD's ( I have been taking classes for almost one year and practicing and really am a newbee just approaching the exams for the master level next month). Is IMDHA approved curriculm not considered appropriate?? Is having an instructor with many years expereince with all the professional affiliations a fantastically successful practice with happy clients as well as a registered post secondary education status not a good starting place.

That when asking for a script re weight loss the person could never be a good hypnotherapist because they are too stupid to know that treating obesity is a multifaceted problem and can be very difficult as well as challenging??

I guess life experience and mucho eperience dealing with diffcult people and difficult problems might not be enough of a background or adjunt to becomming a fabulous hypnotherapist.

Sounding harsh and rude are pretty close...curiostiy as to why the person is asking the question might be more helpful and respectful.

Some hypnotherapists use scripts and styles as huge marketing strategies I think the thrust is more for the bucks then facilitating people or providing a service to help clients to achieve their goals. A graduate of the school that I am in is marketing a mixed script for weight loss... everyone is buying and you know what, I am glad I asked the question as I have learned plenty and will not be buying. I have also learned that there are some that are ok with sharing what they are doing and others viscously guard it for a price.

If you are ever in Vancouver teaching on obesity I would consider attending
as i love to learn.

[Don]

I think there will always be individuals who seek to help humanity. However, I would point out that there is a big difference between my example (a cure for cavities and gum disease) and your example (a cure for cancer).

What you are studying--inductions, deepeners, tests--are very important. In fact, to take it one step further (and this is even a more difficult problem) is determining which inductions, deepeners, and tests are appropriate for a specific client. As you will learn, what works for one person won't work for another.

But let's take it even further. What you are learning is similar to the job of an anesthesiologist. You're preparing the patient for the surgery to follow. Inductions, deepeners, and tests prepare clients for the therapeutic work to follow.

Good luck on your studies and practice!

[Terry (existing)]

Correct, some do hunt the money instead of looking to the welfare of the client first and letting the money follow. That just indicates a lack of business skills. I was never one of them, and now being retired have no reason to withold information that others might use to help clients. No reason that is except that new posters are an unknown quantity, and from your own words, not even all who have taken proper training can be trusted to value information unless it means more money in their pockets. I love this profession, and have no desire to polute it with the careless, hence I take care not to divulge information that could be misused. Scripts are of value only for learning, not for use on a client in my opinion, so asking for a script is a signal to me of someone wishing to use hypnosis in a careless manner. Since you are taking training, perhaps you might pass this comment on to your trainer and see what sort of feedback you get? I believe you will find that he or she agrees with the sentiment, and lets face it, the presentation is my own as it always will be. The only insult that might be perceived by someone who is taking proper training, is the fact that they asked the wrong question, thus promoting the wrong perception. After all, you DID ask for scripts didn't you? My reply that no such script can exist for such a complicated useage is not rude or harsh, but the correct reply.... Two years for example to develop a better method of helping the obese, particullarly those who are wheeelchair bound, lose their excess fat under controlled circumstances, and you wonder why I find it offensive when someone asks for a script or suggests that I might be witholding information to make money? All that I do these days, is under the guise of research so I am able to give my services freely, without offending those who do it for a living. I have all I will need for my remaining years, and my children are all doing well, and in no need of what I will leave behind, so I spend both money and time according to my own whims.... I spend time on this board because I like and respect many others who attend it, but then, they never ask the wrong questions. My judgements are based on what I read into a post, all of which I read with care and attention deserving to all who take time to communicate. If you were upset by my attitude, I apologise, my intent was to educate not insult..

[iseeukatchu]

Great mentor like response. Thanks. We have right from the begining have looked at tests on to do on intake for suggestibilitly and sexuality, and we have to do the tests and intake assessment on our class mates and use the proper techniques based on how they process information etc and we have learned that some scripts do not work with certain class mates. Is there something more you are refering to in relation to individualizing the therapy?(that I should be asking about?) Basically I am only doing confidence, relaxation, dealing with the occasional abreaction...postive suggestion.:)

[Poodle]

Whoa boys, settle down! The lad needs a lending hand. It is useful in losing weight to use NLP or TLT to get to the root cause of why the weight was gained in the first place and correct it. Next I work on the idea that the client eat only until SATISFIED, not FULL and if s/he eats to FULL s/he will be very miserable. There is also a gland in our heads which controls appetite called the hypnothalus(sp??). You then direct or construct your suggestions to have that gland working correctly. It also doesn't hurt to add in I LOVE leavy green veggies, I LOVE fruit, I LOVE lean meat and a few I HATES which can later be reversed once the weight loss is achieved and maintained. You should find enough suggestions in those few ideas to get through three very good sessions. Also instill upon the subconscious that DIETS FAIL - HYPNOSIS WORKS!! This is very true as diets put the body into a starvation mode which leads to the body wanting to hold on to any excess fat and not letting it go. This is not even taking into account the exercise factor which is also necessary. I know more but this is the most I'm going to share. LOL!! The Pood