Overloading conscious mind:

[K-MAN]

My primary induction method is the Elman.
I have some other permissive inductions also.
And for the hypervigilant I have an instant,
and an overload which uses hand to face,
light hand, heavy hand and counting.
Can anyone add a new activity, or another
method that would help in overloading some of
the more resistant clients?

I would appreciate it.

Thank you,
K-man

[Don]

As I understand it, the primary reason for resistance is lack of rapport. For improving rapport, I suggest the book Instant Rapport by Brooks.

[Robert H]

Since there are no resistant clients - only inflexible therapists - I applaud your searching out new choices.

how is it possible someone resists:

1) they do not feel safe --- solution - improve your pre-talk.

2) you are not sufficiently matching their style - -- solution -- learn to recognize the various styles --- such as visual, auditory, kinesthetic and learn how to adapt your inductions to their style

3) they are incongruent about going into trance- - learn to recognize and handle incongruence - - i recommend patterns 2.

4) You are incongruent --- video tape yourself doing inductions with few people and after a couple days have passed - watch the tape with an eye toward congruence.

* also explore if you have any limiting beliefs or expectations or fears or doubts with certain clients --- what the hypnotist believes the client tends to actualize.

There are more possibilities --- this should get you going.

Robert

[K-MAN]

I'm newly certified as a hypnotherapist, and it isn' that I'm not aware of rapport being a key to resistant clients. But it seems to me that those who have more NLP training have a real edge over some of us whose training is more hypnosis oriented. Meaning, how to induce, what is hypnosis, parts therapy, regression, etc.

I can see that I need to look into rapport a lot more. I now have no excuse, and will follow your advice on bandler, etc. I was under the thinking that if a client isn't responding, and is hypervigilant that you need to pyramid on to another technique which helps them to let go.

This site is sometimes painful for some of us who are fairly new and post a question, but it's always informative. It's worth it to learn from all of you, and I thank you.

K-man

[Terry (existing)]

Kman, I practised only hypnosis and still have no idea were the line is drawn between hypnosis and NLP since it was all one in my day, but still we learned just the same as you would today, so there is no advantage in my opinion, you just lack experience, and there is only one cure for that. I would be interested in knowing how you did your training, as an individual student, or in a group? How experienced you teacher was, and how long in practise? Seems to me that much was left out in your training, but that is not surprising, since all too often it is too short in duration. It would also be interesting to know if your instuctor is affiliated with an Association or Society?

[K-MAN]

Hi Terry: I'm happy to tell you my experience for better or for worse. It was around 100 hours of classroom. We went through your typical text book of hypnosis training. But when we got to NLP we skimmed through it. I could tell that this wasn't important to him. He did teach us some techniques such as Fast Phobia Cure, New Behavior Generator etc. And he did say often how important rapport was. But it was a bit of a diploma mill. Interview client, gain rapport, contract for hypnosis, read a long long progressive relaxation script (I refuse to do this), and then parts therapy for anything. Parts therapy was also a script. I new there was so much more.
I totally disagree with his methods, but to my amazement all of my classmates are blindly following his 30 yearold methods of boring people into trance.
I've spent a lot of money on many of your popular training sites for instant inductions, rapid inductions, direct suggestions, a lot of Kein, and Banyan, Livingston, and many books in order to educate myself. I have put together a good program. Right now I'm trying to learn many of the nuances. I love this business, and I love helping people. And when I asked about overloading relative to stubborn clients, it was because this is a real possiblility. Every single hypnotist video, or book that I have read has said that this does happen occassionally. I just posted to give myself another tool. And I did receive some excellent advice on rapport. I would also like to learn more about direct suggestions.

K-man

[Terry (existing)]

100 hours seems like a fair start. I trained over a three month period, one evening each week probably fifty hours for my introductory course, but had other means of continued learning available to me. Speed induction has value, but confidence is also an essential, and I wonder if you have that yet. You seem to doubt your training was satifactory, and I agree that no training will give you all you need, but only time will breed confidence, so stick to it, and keep learning. Right now you are going through motions that will evenutally prove unnescessary when you are skilled enough, but this is were you start in order to become good....You didn't say if you trained in a group, but I asked because of two possibilities, first the ability to practise on one another, and secondly, to start a group after training, in order to work and progress together. When I finished my training, I and several others, joined HSA together, and progressed through observation, speakers, and practise until we were confident that we had sufficient skills to work with the public...

[NELSON1971]

Hi, I'm Nelson and I'm looking for someone to help me to ind out about my deep fears. Robert's comment are wonderful, because I feel some of the things he mention: do not feel safe; i don't the if I'm auditory, kinesthetic or visual; I'm usre I gave incongrounces about going into trance (tried hymnosis before and did not work);

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Since there are no resistant clients - only inflexible therapists - I applaud your searching out new choices.

how is it possible someone resists:

1) they do not feel safe --- solution - improve your pre-talk.

2) you are not sufficiently matching their style - -- solution -- learn to recognize the various styles --- such as visual, auditory, kinesthetic and learn how to adapt your inductions to their style

3) they are incongruent about going into trance- - learn to recognize and handle incongruence - - i recommend patterns 2.

4) You are incongruent --- video tape yourself doing inductions with few people and after a couple days have passed - watch the tape with an eye toward congruence.

* also explore if you have any limiting beliefs or expectations or fears or doubts with certain clients --- what the hypnotist believes the client tends to actualize.

There are more possibilities --- this should get you going.

Robert