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master_debator
05-12-2009, 02:46 PM
I'm looking for some phonetic ambiguites as I like to simply talk to people in work and see if they can fly under the radar.
1) Your unconscious
2) Be calm (become)
3) (This one from Bandler) The skys the limit, this guys the limit, disguise the limit - from this forum :D
4) Your mine (which is from creepy Ross Jeffries)
5) are you going to be calm aware of new and positive ideas down the road, orville you notice ideas springing forth from your mind like popcorn popping instantly and automatically?
I'm drawing a blank, as I know more...argh
Connie and Pood thanks for the last one. I really like that 'ideas popping'.
Connie
05-12-2009, 03:40 PM
When I was playing with a voice to type software program, I found that it was a master at coming up with phonological ambiguities. :) I'd say one thing, and it would "hear" something else.
I know that there are intensive lists out there of "power words" which are phonological ambiguities--perhaps in this instance google is your friend.
Poodle
05-12-2009, 06:42 PM
It's soooo much fun to just relax and let them come to "ewe". Just even watching a show on TV can give you some. They just seem to "pop" in when you "here" them.
Houston did a great one you missed --
Metaphor Met-her-for
Have fun. They are fun!
Even our lovely Merlin is one -- Myrhleine(sp?) Merlin
Pood
PS: Ambiguities
master_debator
05-12-2009, 10:47 PM
When I was playing with a voice to type software program, I found that it was a master at coming up with phonological ambiguities. :) I'd say one thing, and it would "hear" something else.
I know that there are intensive lists out there of "power words" which are phonological ambiguities--perhaps in this instance google is your friend.
Pure genius!!! Going to see if I can find some software on linux to do this with. Connie I searched for power words, not really sure how to narrow the search down...care to help and or explain?
Connie
05-13-2009, 08:10 AM
I did a search under "phonological ambiguities" yesterday and found several lists online, including ones for sale--"200 power words." You don't need to buy anything, if you're someone who enjoys puns and thinking about language, these come naturally to mind. :)
"I'm drawing a blank, as I know more...argh"
Know? No?
Drawing abstractly or pulling?
AH ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Hap penis from creepy ol Ross
As you look at your watch how easily your ....
Be sure and listen while we fine tune your resources ...
One... two... many!!!
skip
master_debator
05-14-2009, 02:08 AM
"I'm drawing a blank, as I know more...argh"
Know? No?
Drawing abstractly or pulling?
AH ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Hap penis from creepy ol Ross
As you look at your watch how easily your ....
Be sure and listen while we fine tune your resources ...
One... two... many!!!
skip
Haha...that one...two...many really caught my eye. Can you give me an example how that could be use that in a sentence :D
and while reading this I finally caught the 'as you look at your WATCH how easily your'
Not really understanding the 'be sure and listen' one though.
Docresults
05-14-2009, 09:21 AM
MD or is it MD,
As my Grampa Vetter said, "Give me ambiguity or give me something else." or as Emo Philips once said when asked
Person a) is this seat saved...
Phillips) Well not in the sense that an inanimate object can have an ethereal soul...
Person a) no I mean is anyone sitting there
Phillips) Ambiguity the devil's hand ball
And I don't kNOw if you can get this 'point to the wall' as it only begins to 'scratch the surface' of things because only you 'noses', really does anyone, on the other side is your answer.
To Your Best,
Doc Houston
Poodle
05-14-2009, 09:32 AM
Have you ever heard Bandler get going on these. Skip gave you a very short Bandler type.
Just sit back and relax. They come to YOU when you are NOT looking for them. You have a mind, use it!
May be others in Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of MHE, MD, Vol. I.
Don't remember for sure but on any note, good reading for you. ;)
Be well~Pood
My grandaughters come to me asking for change ...
Ah ha ha ha ha!
skip
Can you tuna fish?
master_debator
05-14-2009, 06:44 PM
hehe, just came from the beach here in Kauai and something just 'popped' in my head.
You know sometimes life's a beach. At times your unconscious and conscious may fight against each other and have a sand off to end all fights, eventually brushing each other away or even possibly throwing the towel in and becoming the best of friends. After all you are the shining sun of your parents.
Have you ever heard Bandler get going on these. Skip gave you a very short Bandler type.
Just sit back and relax. They come to YOU when you are NOT looking for them. You have a mind, use it!
May be others in Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of MHE, MD, Vol. I.
Don't remember for sure but on any note, good reading for you. ;)
Be well~Pood
Poodle
05-14-2009, 07:40 PM
I am sure I cannot. Can you? What happened to those bear bare kinda sandwiches?
Tee hee: Got Steve A. good today with one of your signature lines. I don't need great literature. I have something better -- Skip! and I put your name under. You well know what happens when NLPers get together. We call it a lot of FUN!!
Hugs~Pood
Poodle
05-15-2009, 11:47 AM
Just saw one in a brochure today that caught my eye (I),
Profit from advertising (instead of going in the hole). My mind goes: I want the WHOLE, and nothing less.
Be patient. They are everywhere if you look, relax and don't bust your brain looking for them.
Pood ;)
MrDigital
05-15-2009, 02:28 PM
One can oh-zone out and yet know you Two are on hair... clips from your unconscious are three like a radios hair-waves can roam free... comfort-able to go four they can re-five all your senses... even the six-th... and your 7 + or minus 2 will have two-eight be-cause... your conscious mind is intelligent.... and your unconscious is Nine... and yours more ofTen than not....
Was enjoying that... My boy has just taken me out of my trance...
Wayne
master_debator
05-15-2009, 05:17 PM
One can oh-zone out and yet know you Two are on hair... clips from your unconscious are three like a radios hair-waves can roam free... comfort-able to go four they can re-five all your senses... even the six-th... and your 7 + or minus 2 will have two-eight be-cause... your conscious mind is intelligent.... and your unconscious is Nine... and yours more ofTen than not....
Was enjoying that... My boy has just taken me out of my trance...
Wayne
Nice...
as your unconscious becomes ONE with your conscious, you may realize that because you like to have choices the TWO parts of your mind can begin enjoying THREEDOM, but not beFOUR you begin to striFIVE into the future...
MrDigital
05-16-2009, 01:50 AM
Nice...
as your unconscious becomes ONE with your conscious, you may realize that because you like to have choices the TWO parts of your mind can begin enjoying THREEDOM, but not beFOUR you begin to striFIVE into the future...
People one_two learn quickly as threads developing start to imagine a nation where people are three to go four'th in their expanding conscious... and
if' ive not yet mentioned you're unconscious ix be-cause... you see'even if it's the g.. ate to your creating a flow of imagining nations... on cloud nine where cerTen dreams exist... They'll even... wonder... did i do that today... or yes-today...
Poodle
05-16-2009, 10:12 AM
Can we stop the PUN-ish-MINT? Pood :pood:
One who will pun will pick a pocket ... any pocket.
master_debator
05-18-2009, 05:29 PM
One who will pun will pick a pocket ... any pocket.
Wouldn't you agree that its a great thing being able to help people as a hip.notice your unconscious one_thing (wanting?)...two learn new and exiting threedoms...but not be.four your conscious mind strFIVES to put this all together, much like astronomers of the past used a SIXtant to map out the stars in the sevens above us? Once you notice all of the things in these words you may find yourself grATEful knowing that you can be on cloud.nine which is just below cerTEN expecations.
Well this is the best I could come up with...the sevens for heavens kind of tripped me up...any recommendations?
Connie
05-18-2009, 08:00 PM
This thread is turning more and more puntastic by the minute.
MrDigital
05-19-2009, 12:19 PM
If you want to make a pun then firstly you knead the ingredients... Hand shape them in-two moulds... so you know have plasticity... Habit... like your conscious mind... hand your unconscious... now kneading and sharing... in-greed- iently searching... for that special taste... that will make the pun rise above its cup like the flower-breads dough'th rise...
i-see-ing raining on top of it all for one last view... of the beauty fills you as you recieve the chunks of satisfaction and a Pun-jent aroma...
kneading more is a good thing, isnt it...
Merlin
05-19-2009, 01:16 PM
just be careful of the scales
master_debator
05-22-2009, 03:08 PM
just be careful of the scales
"Its a funny thing how people have often missed something thats sirius, so that it can easily become missed sirius"
"Now close your eye dear's about what hypnosis is all about"
Havent we been punnished enough?
skip
Poodle
05-31-2009, 11:35 AM
is it proper in doing this to use trademarked names like Sirius or is it to be strictly ordinary words? I was taught the latter.
Thanks~Pood
master_debator
07-27-2009, 05:46 AM
I'm trying to think of a way to use "per assistance" (persistence) in a sentence. Any suggestions?
MrDigital
07-27-2009, 01:27 PM
When I used to go to my Grandma's asking for 50p to buy some sweets she would exclaim "young man I don't have my purse!" and I would say "but grandma it's right there in front of you!".
To which she would reply "it's not my purse it's Stans!"
She always blamed my grampa!!!
;)
master_debator
07-27-2009, 01:33 PM
When I used to go to my Grandma's asking for 50p to buy some sweets she would exclaim "young man I don't have my purse!" and I would say "but grandma it's right there in front of you!".
To which she would reply "it's not my purse it's Stans!"
She always blamed my grampa!!!
;)
Clever...maybe I should have been more clear. I've mentioned in another thread how I am working on a dual induction to help people "lock" in hypnotic language patterns. I want to kind of seed the idea for persistence, so something along the lines of:
and a person may find that they can do more with per assistance from their unconscious, etc...etc...
any other idears?
Poodle
07-27-2009, 07:11 PM
in English, it is "with" assistance. Have you ever "per" "with'd" anything? The words do not fit together in any sense. Expand your vocabulary and perhaps do as Connie suggested and use Google.
Pood
master_debator
07-28-2009, 03:05 AM
"The monthly payment per assistance group is projected to be $367"
This was from ohio.gov.
in English, it is "with" assistance. Have you ever "per" "with'd" anything? The words do not fit together in any sense. Expand your vocabulary and perhaps do as Connie suggested and use Google.
Pood
MrDigital
07-28-2009, 11:00 AM
I want to kind of seed the idea for persistence
Forget about Phonetic ambiguities for a while and ask yourself how many other ways are available to me to apply the concept of 'persistence' without explicitly saying it...
There's a seed to sow...
I have to admit that I still don't understand the entire purpose of this thread. It's sort of like asking how to use a laser so you can remove a brain tumor before learning things like basic medicine and how to hold a scalpel.
IMO there is NO necessity to use any particular type of induction if you're not trained in it. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it would be unethical to attempt to teach someone this information without making sure that the person is fully trained in everything needed to use the technique safely (if not effectively).
The development and use of phonetic ambiguities is something that is taught and trained during NLP training. Therefore, I would strongly suggest that MD quit pretending like he knows what this is all about and actually LEARN the technique in a training. There is FAR more to the use of phonetic ambiguities (AKA "quantum linguistics") than simple word play.
If you're looking to play with words, study tongue twisters and limericks.
Who slit sheets for the sheet slitter's daughter while the sheet slitter's daughter slit sheets?
Poodle
07-28-2009, 01:31 PM
I slit a sheet. A sheet I slit. Upon that slitted sheet I sit. Here's another: I'm not a fig plucker nor a fig plucker's son but I'll pluck figs until the fig pluckers come.
100 years ago with an older brother. Hmmmm......
master_debator has taken a training of sorts in NLP. It was just from someone that believes that most all of NLP does not work and I "think" you know who that person is Don. Hopefully, some day he will be able to attend a "real" training. How much more fun to elicit states than to play a little with The Milton Model.
Does one not have to become a Trainer or Instructor to teach NLP or hypnosis? If not, why did I spend all that money. :confused:
Pood
master_debator
07-28-2009, 03:08 PM
Who was this person that I got training from? I'm kind of lost now. The only training that I have received was from hmi (Which I would not suggest to anyone) - maybe this is what you are talking about Pood.
I slit a sheet. A sheet I slit. Upon that slitted sheet I sit.
master_debator has taken a training of sorts in NLP. It was just from someone that believes that most all of NLP does not work and I "think" you know who that person is Don. Hopefully, some day he will be able to attend a "real" training. How much more fun to elicit states than to play a little with The Milton Model.
Does one not have to become a Trainer or Instructor to teach NLP or hypnosis? If not, why did I spend all that money. :confused:
Pood
Poodle
07-28-2009, 05:04 PM
take some kind of a NLP course (perhaps only DVD's) from Vizzini or were you just thinking about it? (3d Mind/Essential Skills)? Seems as if I remember it helped you pass something or other. Did you also not attend the one in Hawaii with the "hypnotist in dreadlocks" as Don calls him? I seem to remember it was your idea to invite him to Hawaii.
Poodle
07-28-2009, 10:11 PM
Hey m_d, read Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of Milton H. Erickson, MD, Vol. I and II by Bandler and find out about the other cool ambiguities. Some of the word ones are restricted to the country in which one lives as people in the UK have a totally different way of pronouncing a certain word than one would in the USA.
They are relatively cheap used on Amazon or equiv.
'nite~Pood
I am not the fig plucker nor the fig pluckers son ... but I'll pluck figs till the fig plucker comes.
master debater it is nice that you are interested in these things.
I would caution you to be sure that your grasp doesnt exceed your reach.
Or at least know it when it is occurring.
cheers,
skip
Poodle
07-29-2009, 03:33 PM
and in your case Skip, the apple plucker.
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Having brothers can be very interesting. What do we derive from that sentence m_d?
Would be best IMO to learn The Meta Model first as The Milton Model is the inverse of the Meta. It's usually beneficial to learn in the correct order as one thing builds upon another.
master_debator
07-29-2009, 04:05 PM
take some kind of a NLP course (perhaps only DVD's) from Vizzini or were you just thinking about it? (3d Mind/Essential Skills)? Seems as if I remember it helped you pass something or other. Did you also not attend the one in Hawaii with the "hypnotist in dreadlocks" as Don calls him? I seem to remember it was your idea to invite him to Hawaii.
Yeah I got the 3dmind dvds. While I like the 'model' of the 3dmind, the presenters suck a%^. The biggest change I got from it was being sober from alcohol for like 7 months. I guess I wasn't per assistant (for you skip) enough to keep using it.
And about Phil Farber, that fell through, as I couldn't get anyone to sign up for the training. Last night I talked to someone that does training in hypnosis (basic/advanced), timeline work, and I believe in NLP. The training is kind of expensive, but he seems to be a good trainer. I'll have to look into it further.
m_d
master_debator
07-29-2009, 04:15 PM
Poodle, when I lived in Detroit we had the MOST AMAZING used book store called John King. It has 4 (maybe 5) floors. In the psychology section I found a TON of the original NLP books for cheap! I got Tranceformations, Reframing, Patterns 1 and 2, Frogs into Princes, etc..etc.. When I moved to Kauai my moms friend was supposed to ship all of my books to me. What did I get when she sent a box?
I'M OK, YOU'RE OK
WTF, I am NOT ok!!!
Either way I am fine with not having those books now, as its kind of hard to get the 'full' experience of nlp through books. It just stinks that I got all of those books and more nlp books (Beliefs by Dilts) for less than like 70 bucks :( :(
Hey m_d, read Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of Milton H. Erickson, MD, Vol. I and II by Bandler and find out about the other cool ambiguities. Some of the word ones are restricted to the country in which one lives as people in the UK have a totally different way of pronouncing a certain word than one would in the USA.
They are relatively cheap used on Amazon or equiv.
'nite~Pood
Poodle
07-29-2009, 08:56 PM
About how many people live on the island where you live? You are the ONLY person on that whole island that is interested in these subjects? How much would it cost for a person to come from another island (island hopping) for the training? As much as going to CA or beyond?
Surely where there is one mind, more can be found. Wendi Friesen had some sort of a training retreat in Hawaii together with watching the dolphins and it sold out pretty quickly. These were people coming over from this side even with the miserable economy that had been going on. Could it possibly be in the marketing?
Believe it or not but some people actually start saving money for their trainings far in advance so it makes little difference to them where the training is they want to attend. Others prefer to attend at a resort styled place and if Hawaii doesn't qualify on that, I don't know what would. Other people prefer to learn where they live and that is why there are residence trainings. Many, many people come from far away countries like Japan, Finland, Central Europe, South America, etc., etc., etc.
So you are in Hawaii and Matt James isnt the first to come to mind.
What's up with that?
And why did you give up on getting your books? They are more valuable than you realize (irrespective of their cost) and while you are right picking up NLP from them is spotty, after training you will be able to recognize and utilize the gold nuggets in them.
skip
Poodle
07-30-2009, 11:47 AM
m_d keeps maintaining that Dr. Matt does NOT teach in Hawaii. I'm inclined to let Dr. Matt answer that question. I know for sure the staff at APU does travel and that's about it. Don may have a clue as he has studied with Dr. Matt in person.
When do I get out of my kennel of "confusion"?????
Twice when I have moved, I had boxes to be sent to me. I NEVER RECEIVED ANY BOXES YET & IT'S BEEN A GOOD 40 YEARS!!! So, my advice to you m_d, is to get that BOX OF BOOKS NOW. One book on that list, depending upon condition, is worth A LOT OF MONEY (up to $150) and the remainder will be fantastic reading after your training.
Is it possible for your father to mail the books?
Pood :confused:
As far as I know, they are only teaching Huna in Hawaii this year. I would suggest contacting them next year to find out what is going on for 2010.
master_debator
07-31-2009, 03:08 PM
I think the dumb b%$$% threw all of my fricking books away! She is sooo damn obsessive. That pissed me off to no end. Thanks for telling that book was worth 150. That really brightened my day up :(
m_d keeps maintaining that Dr. Matt does NOT teach in Hawaii. I'm inclined to let Dr. Matt answer that question. I know for sure the staff at APU does travel and that's about it. Don may have a clue as he has studied with Dr. Matt in person.
When do I get out of my kennel of "confusion"?????
Twice when I have moved, I had boxes to be sent to me. I NEVER RECEIVED ANY BOXES YET & IT'S BEEN A GOOD 40 YEARS!!! So, my advice to you m_d, is to get that BOX OF BOOKS NOW. One book on that list, depending upon condition, is worth A LOT OF MONEY (up to $150) and the remainder will be fantastic reading after your training.
Is it possible for your father to mail the books?
Pood :confused:
$150 is cheap compared to the knowlege that was lost.
skip
Poodle
07-31-2009, 10:35 PM
up to $150, DEPENDING ON CONDITION. What is preventing you from starting again and perhaps this time you will keep that which is yours with you. This is an excellent time to buy as many people are really hurting and selling things CHEAP. eBay is begging people to sell and buyers get points.
You lost some books. They can be replaced. What I lost could never be replaced. Maybe this time you will read your books. Maybe this time you will get trainings.
It's not her fault. You left them. She did not beg you to please leave your books so she could have the pleasure of mailing them to you a year or two later half way around the world. She is not from "our" world. They are just paperback books to her. You can start out buying one per month. That should be reasonable enough even in Hawaii.
master_debator
08-02-2009, 05:28 AM
When a person finds themselves becoming a good hyp-notice your clients responding in powerful ways beyond your imagination.