Things for me to Attempt

[Conca]

Even though I'm waiting till i get proper training i dont want to stop completely now. i don't know what things i can attempt without unknowingly causing any damage

any ideas?

[MrDigital]

Attempt to answer but...

[Poodle]

The words "attempt" or "try" indicate failure from the beginning.

I remember asking you to buy Gordon's Therapeutic Metaphors book and then crafting a minimum of 300+ metaphors.

Have you accomplished that task? A hypnotherapist without metaphors is comparable to a horse without 2 legs. No workie well at all.

In all honesty, you will learn all the inductions the first day of training. That's the easy part. The difficult part is WTF do I do AFTER THAT?

Have you learned how to do pre-"hypnotizability tests". They can be fun and I'm sure Mum won't care.

I really believe the exchange rate will even out a lot so you can get products from the USA to help you get what you so desire. Quite often the USA can be a great bargain for those with Pounds or Euros. The world is just a little strange right now is all.

[Conca]

yh i suppose. will you explain why metaphors are so important?

[Poodle]

are soooooo very important as the Unconscious Mind cannot reject a suggestion that it does not know is a suggestion. A lovely way to go into trance with embeds in the metaphors and also can use embeds with any metaphor. You can get to that later after you get really great at writing.

So far you are strictly on DIRECT SUGGESTION which may or may not work as you are finding out with Mum. So get really fantastic at what ALWAYS works. Learn to treat the Unconscious Mind with the greatest respect.

Be well~Pood

[Conca]

are soooooo very important as the Unconscious Mind cannot reject a suggestion that it does not know is a suggestion. A lovely way to go into trance with embeds in the metaphors and also can use embeds with any metaphor. You can get to that later after you get really great at writing.

So far you are strictly on DIRECT SUGGESTION which may or may not work as you are finding out with Mum. So get really fantastic at what ALWAYS works. Learn to treat the Unconscious Mind with the greatest respect.

Be well~Pood
Well when you say it like that....

How can I resist Pood?

[Conca]

So basically you can't resist hypnosis if it's indirectly induced? (Because you don't know it's happening.)

Or am I wrong?

[Conca]

I just started writing a metaphor and it's like this:

It's about iPods and how they are getting better memory capacity with each generation and it is supposed to help improve memory.

Does that sound like a good metaphor if I include loads of indirect suggestions and techniques from the milton model.

I know you need more than one metaphor. By the way is the change work in the form of a metaphor or is that a more direct part of the session?

[Conca]

This is it:

iPods nowadays are becoming better and better with each generation. And this is a necessity as people need more memory on their media devices as people are getting more and more music and videos to put on these devices. As you just begin to think about the memory increasing with each new model you can begin to imagine your mind developing new facilities to be able to store more information. You can allow your mind to grow. Can’t you? And this may happen now or maybe in 2 or 3 days time, or it may not happen at all. You just need to know that as you sit here, listening to me, hearing the sounds from all around and allowing your mind to wander you can expand your memory.

Now as I started to write this I realised that this isn't a story. Does that matter?

[Poodle]

Buy the book. Read the book. If you have questions regarding the book, ask here.

It could be a story -- work on it to help give someone improved memory. You are using direct suggestions in your metaphor - no no. It's just a story.

Have we had iPods with each generation? Your Mum had and used an iPod?

[Conca]

no what i mean is each new ipod model is called a generation isnt it

and so basically you tell any stories you want and then do the change work

[Poodle]

I'm tired, very tired of writing this. Buy the book. Read the book. Then, IF you have questions you may ask.

They are called 'THERAPEUTIC METAPHORS" for a REASON! GOT IT?????

Pood :(

[Poodle]

Very nice language for someone who has not studied yet. Very nice indeed.

Do I want my mind to grow? How large? Which part of my mind? or do I perhaps just want better memory recall as I already no my SC mind "nose" it all. The SC mind takes instructions literally so be careful about growing things in the body human.

The memory is there. It does not need to be expanded. It only needs to be able to be quickly recalled which reminds me of a little story of when I was a Trainer's Training for NLP. We were supposed to tell a story and the other people were to interrupt us, cause us problems, etc. I did a very quick TDS I told mine on why I prefer Ericksonian hypnosis and since I was in a very trancey state I pretty much recited word for word a post Skip made on this. It was sooo fantastically easy as I was using my unconscious mind to do the work. All the participants were almost like glued to every word as they really did not know much about hypnosis and especially Ericksonian type hypnosis. No one interrupted, caused me any problem at all. Just totally attentive. I finished my little speech and was a tad upset as no one had interrupted me as that was the point of the exercise. First I complained to my group. What's your problem. Why did you not interrupt me. Why did you not cause me problems. No answer so I go running off to find the head trainer to complain that my group did not comply with what he wanted done. He replied: That's fantastic. It means you can totally captivate an audience and keep them them captivated with only your voice and words. You did exceedingly well and I'm very proud of you. I still didn't get it and I replied to him -- but that was not the point of the exercise and he just walked away leaving me to figure it out for myself which I did eventually.

Pood :)

[Conca]

Right I'm sorry pood but STOP GETTING ANNOYED AT ME. I'm only trying to learn. And guess what? I haven't bought the book yet and do you know why? Because you recommended it yesterday! And I didn't ask you to keep writing the book title.

And I'm sorry for this but you were useless at hypnosis once and you should respect that I'm only at that stage and I'm eager to learn.

[Poodle]

I was never "useless" at hypnosis. I was hand taught by a psychiatrist for three years. It's just that it is soooo much better now than it was in the 60's. I had a great interest in hypnosis as a child growing up. I certainly did not attempt to use it without proper training anymore than I would think of practicing medicine without going to medical school or being a lawyer without going to law school, etc., etc.

I just recommended the book yesterday? Yesterday was Thursday, 30 April and today is Saturday, 2 May in the USA??? That's 4 days by my calendar. :confused:

You seem to have missed the compliment today at 1:25pm and did you miss the little teaching lesson and my metaphor? :confused:

I'd like to post one of Gordon's metaphors but that would be stealing, wouldn't it? He has a way of teaching in person as he will give you 1/2 of a fantastic metaphor and the mind is left what happened? How does this story end. He then laughs and says that you will find out at the end of the week's instruction. If there is anything in this world the unconscious mind doesn't like, it's a half finished metaphor as it wants to finish the story to completion and then it's happy. :)

[Jacquin]

Even though I'm waiting till i get proper training i dont want to stop completely now. i don't know what things i can attempt without unknowingly causing any damage

any ideas?

HI Conca,

stop worrying about training - that will come when you can afford it. Certainly there is absolutely no need and even less point writing 300 metaphors right now. There is a ton of stuff you can practice prior to that kind of study without fear of doing damage. You need to become competent at hypnotizing.

Be a hypnotist first. A hypnotherapist second. Master the direct approach. Do this first. There is plenty of time to master the indirect later.

My suggestion is you keep it simple and direct at first. Master the suggestibility tests/waking hypnosis exercises (two unsatisfactory names for what I refer to as 'the set piece'). Things like magnetic fingers, magnetic hands, stiff arm, eye lock, postural sway, iron fist. Ensure that you can deliver these with individuals and with groups and get results close to 100% of the time. Understand they are not tests but they give you an opportunity to be the hypnotist so you can develop the right attitude and intention. They give you an opportunity to observe your subject. They intensify the hypnotic relationship between you and your subject.

You can then use the same techniques as an induction or tie them into hypnotic phenomena.

Then get into simple physical phenomena. Ideomotor movements, arm levitation, catalepsy etc. Then link these to fun enjoyable feelings e.g laughter for no good reason at all.

It sounds like you are already getting to grips with the Milton Model. I suggest you concentrate on Pacing and Leading, Revivification and Conscious/Unconscious Dissociation as outlined in the wonderful book Training Trances. Master these three sructures and you will be able to generate your inductions anywhere, anytime. This will get you into a more indirect way of working.

Then you can begin to look at metaphor. The book Poodle recommended in metaphor is wonderful and yes it will be great when you can generate them yourself but put it in perspective. Even Erickson used the same dozen metaphors repeatedly, just weaved them in different ways each time. They may have taken two lines. They may have taken 20 minutes, they might have been broken up or mixed in with other metaphors and techniques, however he drew upon experiences that resonated with him and that he felt would simulate his clients creative resources. Do the same.

Once you are confident in your ability to hypnotise you can begin to apply some of the therapeutic ideas you have come across.

Anthony Jacquin

[Poodle]

Have you followed this thread at all? Conca is 15 years old. He has been practicing on Mum w/o success? don't know for sure. You are suggesting that a 15 year old goes around to all friends and induces them? Groups? "Oh, please Ms/Mr. Teacher, I've had no training but I read a couple of books and I really want to hypnotise everyone in my class just to do some hypnotic testing on them." As you well know an abreaction can happen for absolutely no reason at all. What will Conca do then?

Conca may have read two books -- Elman's and Tad James'. Where do you live? Where I live it is called "illegal".

Pood :(

[Jacquin]

Pood,

In this same thread are you encouraging Conc' to gain expertise with metaphor (write 300 metaphors) while extolling that they "are soooooo very important as the Unconscious Mind cannot reject a suggestion that it does not know is a suggestion".

If your concern is that he hypnotizes someone why are you suggesting he use techniques that cannot be resisted?

Anthony

[Conca]

Pood,

In this same thread are you encouraging Conc' to gain expertise with metaphor (write 300 metaphors) while extolling that they "are soooooo very important as the Unconscious Mind cannot reject a suggestion that it does not know is a suggestion".

If your concern is that he hypnotizes someone why are you suggesting he use techniques that cannot be resisted?

Anthony
thanks ant. and i did see the compliment pood but just before the compliment you were quite nasty and i don't like it

[skip]

Well conca get over it.

It is easy to jump into a discussion, and tell someone what they want to hear.

And as a result, sound like some wise sage.

It is much more difficult to tell people what their real obsticals are likely to be, and still be considered a 'nice person'.

Poodle wasnt nasty to you.

Being nasty would be more like calling you an 'immature **** wit'.

The fact is that both Anthony and Poodle are telling you the unvarnished truth.

They are comming at it from different perspectives.

Most, if not all, of us started where we started and it wasnt a formal training.

But

BUT

BIG BERTHA BUTT!!!

That isnt the 'best' start.

We all had to undo a number of bad habits, we had aquired by flying blind.

And that isnt to say that quite a few people get discouraged and quit because they dont meet with the success they expect, without training. Although a lot do quit.

What I am trying to say is this...

If you want to learn to play baseball.

You can pick it up on your own.

Go out find a game.

Play and learn by trial and error.

It will take more time, and you will definatley pick up some bad habits, that you will have to unlearn later. And that is hard to do my friend.

Very hard.

Not impossible, but very hard.

Or you can join a well coached team and learn 'properly' from the beginning.

Both paths will let you play ball.

Neither path is a guarantee of hall of fame performance.

One is easier and more sure of adequate, to good performance, than the other.

cheers,

skip

[Merlin]

Good reason to not try to teach here.
conflicting messages.

[Snoopy]

With the amount of questions Conca has asked on this forum over the last month, Its obvious he's trying to fool people into teaching him hypnosis & different techniques.

For a 15yo he isn't dumb in a sense, He seems to know how to ask the right questions to get the answers he wants from them.

However, he proves himself not too bright when he openly admits to attemting hypnosis on different people (of course without results)

Conca. No-one here with any professional knowledge is going to teach you how to do what we do. You are doing youself more harm than good by "trying" to learn so much before professional face to face training (which I am starting to wonder if you ever actually intend to take). You cannot go into a professional training class with the false misconceptions of hypnosis, You need to go in with a empty mind ready to absorb what your teacher/mentor has to say, otherwise you will have taught yourself incorrect and false information which will (or already has) become habit.

You're not goiing to listen to me, I realize that.. You are a typical 15yo "know it all" kid that thinks he knows better. Although I don't see how pood was nasty to you in any way, Its about time people started getting nasty, give you a kick in the butt and tell you to stop trying to mess with peoples heads until your own head has been filled with the proper knowledge of how to do so.

Terry
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