Recorded Physical Manifestations

[Loup-garou]

Reading various books about hypnotism (I have a small collection going, and any suggestions are appreciated) I keep coming across accounts of Mesmer and his bloodletting practices. As I'm sure you all know, Mesmer would preform bloodletting on his patients, then pass a magnet over the wound to cease the bleeding. If any of you have ever studied basic anatomy & physiology, you would know what an insanely complex and lengthy process coagulation is.
It would seem that if induced coagulation is possible, almost anything is. What I am interested in is if anyone has preformed any studies on this phenomena, and barring that, any first hand accounts. Other observable physical phenomena also interest me. I've read alot of discussion about breast enlargement and such, but have seen little before and after evidence and very little data.
Wheres the good ol' scientific method when you need it?

[Terry (existing)]

You ask for first hand information, but then proceed to suggest that what you really want is scientific proof, which differs from "First hand information" does it not?

[Loup-Garou]

Hmmm, actually my post inquired "if anyone has preformed any studies on this phenomena, and barring that, any first hand accounts." I would be interested in scientific data and method, but just as well I am more than eager to hear of first hand expiriences.
So, any particular reason you "challanged" my post, instead of offering some insight or not responding at all?

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Dear Warewolf, :)

Hypnosis has been used to retard bleeding and speed up clotting for years and years. I know of no specific study because it is comon knowledge, sort of like you dont need a study to know hypnosis will allow you to produce arm catalepsy.

There are ample studies and first hand information on breast enlargement. Several threads here, it is a common theme that comes up periodically along with penis enlargement. (all puns intended). Also tons of information via a google search.

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[Terry (existing)]

Hmmm, actually my post inquired "if anyone has preformed any studies on this phenomena, and barring that, any first hand accounts." I would be interested in scientific data and method, but just as well I am more than eager to hear of first hand expiriences.
So, any particular reason you "challanged" my post, instead of offering some insight or not responding at all? Yes, there is a clear difference between scientific evidence and the word of strangers that they have done what you enquire about. I certainly have done both reduction and enhancement, so, does the word of a stranger confirm in YOUR mind what you ask about? If so, I would be very surprised, but evidence is not available, so it will have to suffice.....

[Loup-Garou]

I certainly have done both reduction and enhancement, so, does the word of a stranger confirm in YOUR mind what you ask about? If so, I would be very surprised, but evidence is not available, so it will have to suffice.....


No, the word of a single stranger does not confirm anything in my mind, but it is always something to consider. So you have done reductions? From what I've read I thought reductions were supposed to be impossible, the theory being that while hormones can be activated to enlarge the tissue, surgery would be needed to remove excess skin, etc. Do you induce body fat loss, which may have the intended outcome? I would be interested if you elaborated on your technique, unless its a trade secret or something. ;)

[Loup-Garou]

Hypnosis has been used to retard bleeding and speed up clotting for years and years. I know of no specific study because it is comon knowledge, sort of like you dont need a study to know hypnosis will allow you to produce arm catalepsy.
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While you do have a point, it is kinda surprising that nobody has done any research into the subject. It is alot more involved and dramatic than arm catalepsy, with so many involuntary chemical reactions. Maybe I should state that as "supposedly involuntary" chemical reactions. I dunno, just me thoughts.

[Terry (existing)]

I guess the people I worked with didn't read the book you read, so I had no problem. On the other hand, no I do not disclose methods online, but if you consider that any female who attempts to reduce via a starvation diet will lose her breasts before any other part of her body, it suggests what you read is incorrect. As to skin requiring surgery, women constantly enlarge their breasts during child bearing, and they reduce quite well without surgery, once the feeding stage is complete.... In the elderly, surgery might be required, since the skin loses elasticity with age.

[Merlin]

Hi,

I've done Mesmerism as well as NLP, Hypnosis and various forms of 'trance'

>f any of you have ever studied basic anatomy & physiology, you would know what an insanely complex and lengthy process coagulation is.

Sometimes knowledge interferes with actually doing something because we "know what an insanely complex and lengthy process..."

> It would seem that if induced coagulation is possible, almost anything is.

Yup.
Isn't it great?

>but have seen little before and after evidence and very little data. Wheres the good ol' scientific method when you need it?

No money in it.
Who would fund such studies?

>From what I've read I thought reductions were supposed to be impossible...

It's also aerodynamically impossible for bumble-bees to fly.
SShhhh... Don't let them hear it.
They might start falling from the sky. <LOL>
Breast reduction is easy.

[Merlin]

>if you consider that any female who attempts to reduce via a starvation diet will lose her breasts before any other part of her body

Wouldn't it be nice if that were always true?
'taint true in all cases tho :(

[Rob Bashaw]

As far as breast enlargement I'm all for it. But the single most important element in any success with hypnosis is belief. When you present a prestige suggestion such as "scientific proof" the results will probably get better. Perhaps that is what the real question is "Could you give me something to believe in such as scientific studies with data to convince ME so I can be congruent with my clients when I say "blood can clot or breast can increase size using hypnosis" ".

I have had great success in assisting my clients to increase their breast size. Saying that I have to also say that I believe breast size is an unconscious choice or decision made sometime in puberty, so I just take them back to that time and have them make a decision that both the conscious and the unconscious agree on.

These results are not quantifiable scientifically because these are all subject to too many variables in the client. There is no baseline "attitude" no baseline "value or belief" no baseline standard of experiences one can quantify and then use as a control group to base results on. How do you establish a belief/attitude/values/outlook/ baseline in a quantum mechanical device such as a human? It is all dependent on and measured in terms of subjective experience.