Hypnosis for sport performance

[Vin]

Several times the role of hypnosis in sport has been discussed in this forum and Jack, among other very skilled hypnotist here, is a widely acknowledged sport hypnotist. I also own several books and dvds (Jerry Kein, Anne King etc.) about hypnosis for sport.
Almost all the material deals with the mental preparation for sports. But what about physiological adaptations normally occurring with training? With hypnosis it is possible to change behaviours, to produce astounding recoveries from ailments, to perform surgery without anesthetics etc.
Let's make an example:sprinting abilities depend upon a range of physiological traits, such as rate coding, intra- and inter-muscular coordination, ratio of fast to slow twitch fibers, relaxation of antagonist muscles etc.
Is it possible to obtain favourable physiological changes with hypnosis?

Vin

[Connie]

Of course! The mind controls the body. Get it?

[Vin]

Connie,
easier said than done :).
I bet it is not that easy, generally speaking. Let's talk about measurable physiological and bodily changes.
The two questions are:
1) Would you able to do that? Or, even better, did you do that? I'm talking about going from less-than-average to remarkable performances (not mental preparation).
2) Is therefore physical training necessary in order to obtain adaptations? Physiological changes in response to training are an adaptive response to an imposed demand, in general.

Vin

[Connie]

Sports enhancement hypnosis is so easy, and so powerful. I've worked with a variety of people, running the gamut from an Olympic athlete to golfers to runners and people who want to improve their weekend tennis game. With massive success. In fact, I also gave a presentation on sports enhancement via hypnosis very recently at a symposium at a local medical center. You obviously have some limiting beliefs around this.

[Vin]

Sports enhancement hypnosis is so easy, and so powerful. I've worked with a variety of people, running the gamut from an Olympic athlete to golfers to runners and people who want to improve their weekend tennis game. With massive success. In fact, I also gave a presentation on sports enhancement via hypnosis very recently at a symposium at a local medical center. You obviously have some limiting beliefs around this.

Connie,
I think on your part it is limiting to think I have limiting beliefs.
I do not say it is not possible, on the contrary, but I was specifically talking about physiological changes, not about a general question, such as, have you ever worked with sportmen and did you have positive results?
I did not doubt your great results nor others' great results.
For instance, the question: is physical training therefore necessary?

Vin

[Poodle]

Sorry for the short replies you have received. Yes, in sport enhacement the client needs the body to be in good shape (much more easily obtained with mind-body therapy). Thus, the word "enhancement. Secondly, the client needs to understand the "game" and you need to know what specifically is not allowing the client to do the very best.

Case in point -- ALL THE HYPNOSIS IN THE WHOLE WORLD BY ANYONE would not help any person without a full leg be a sprinter. Growing bone correctly is extremely difficult at best. Also case in point -- it is impossible to lift an arm consciously as there are approximately 135 separate muscles in there that need to work together.

We have a saying in English: You cannot make a silk purse from a pig's ear. The mind rules the body. If the body is a piece of crap, the mind has that much more work to do.

We know for sure that everything in life is much easier when the "whole mind" is engaged. If your client, hoping you have one now, is interested in sports, get the body going correctly and after you have that work on "the game". If you want to, you can PM me for ways of getting that body in top shape even by using just hypnosis. Cool, huh? :cool:

In many cases we use time diiiiistortion too. You know a lot. You read a lot. You need to start working with real live human beings soooo when you have a question it can easily be answered instead of going into theory. I'm thinking in Italy it would most probably be "football", huh?

Stay well~Pood :pood: (Maya made that just for ME!!)

[Connie]

Those dog hypno eyes are kind of spooky. :eek:

Please don't "apologize" for my replies, or their length. I answer as I see fit. And you're free to do the same. And Vin is free to ignore, follow up, think, reply as he/she sees fit.

[Vin]

Sorry for the short replies you have received. Yes, in sport enhacement the client needs the body to be in good shape (much more easily obtained with mind-body therapy). Thus, the word "enhancement. Secondly, the client needs to understand the "game" and you need to know what specifically is not allowing the client to do the very best.

Case in point -- ALL THE HYPNOSIS IN THE WHOLE WORLD BY ANYONE would not help any person without a full leg be a sprinter. Growing bone correctly is extremely difficult at best. Also case in point -- it is impossible to lift an arm consciously as there are approximately 135 separate muscles in there that need to work together.

We have a saying in English: You cannot make a silk purse from a pig's ear. The mind rules the body. If the body is a piece of crap, the mind has that much more work to do.

We know for sure that everything in life is much easier when the "whole mind" is engaged. If your client, hoping you have one now, is interested in sports, get the body going correctly and after you have that work on "the game". If you want to, you can PM me for ways of getting that body in top shape even by using just hypnosis. Cool, huh? :cool:

In many cases we use time diiiiistortion too. You know a lot. You read a lot. You need to start working with real live human beings soooo when you have a question it can easily be answered instead of going into theory. I'm thinking in Italy it would most probably be "football", huh?

Stay well~Pood :pood: (Maya made that just for ME!!)


Very interesting Poodle.
When I work with sportmen I focus almost all the time on one thing: confidence. Being involved in sport at a good level (and having been involved in sport since when I was 5) I know that lacking confidence is by far the major problem in sports.
Second, my questions were not only theory. They dealt with trying to understand how things work. If the mind controls the body and if (I'm not sure) every adaptation is first a mind (or neurological) adaptation, is training necessary? If biological adaptations obtained through training can be obtained without physical training, but through hypnosis, what are the limits?
Can a amateur runner become a world-class sprinter? Can a soccer player without sufficient "motor control" become a skilled ball-handler? Can you grow new myofibrilles without stressing muscular tissue?

Vin

[Don]

V
When I work with sportmen I focus almost all the time on one thing: confidence.
Vin

Then if you're not succeeding in getting the results you want, perhaps there's something you're missing?

When I took NLP training with the owner of this forum, after just two weeks of training we modeled a martial arts instructor. Every one of the people in the training--young, old, strong, weak, tall, short, confident, unsure, etc.--every one of them, broke a 1" thick piece of solid wood on the first try.

Is it possible that there's something missing other than confidence and physiological size? Certainly, if you're missing a leg you may not be able to run in the Olympics...

but evidence shows that with training and a prosthesis you can run.

[Poodle]

seeing a soldier from Iraq that had lost his leg and eventually got a "proper" prosthesis and ran marathons. It was quite interesting as there was no actual foot -- a metal piece that sprung well at the ankle and of course the bionic knee worked well and off he went. They knew he wanted to run and they spent a lot of time devising the proper "equipment" that would allow him to do what he wanted. In a way it was like a miracle. Runners, of course, wear shorts and that young lad was very proud of that "new" leg. It's sad he had to get it but so wonderful that it is now possible to replace parts.

Maybe a bit like my best friend, Sarah, a bionic knee, two hips and a shoulder. She says she'll keep going until they run out of parts. ;)

[Vin]

Then if you're not succeeding in getting the results you want, perhaps there's something you're missing?

When I took NLP training with the owner of this forum, after just two weeks of training we modeled a martial arts instructor. Every one of the people in the training--young, old, strong, weak, tall, short, confident, unsure, etc.--every one of them, broke a 1" thick piece of solid wood on the first try.

Is it possible that there's something missing other than confidence and physiological size? Certainly, if you're missing a leg you may not be able to run in the Olympics...

but evidence shows that with training and a prosthesis you can run.

Don,
it is not a client's issue. My question was related to biological and "neurological" possibilities. I am active in sports (theoretically and practically) and training is "only" an imposed demand to which our body (and mind?) tries to respond. That's why Usain Bolt won't be able to run a marathon, other than genetic issues (gene expression, alleles, quantitative traits etc.), there is the training component (the imposed demand). The breaking of the piece of wood is different. (nearly) Every one has the potential to break a piece of wood one inch thick. But running, for instance, is a different story. Are you sure you can model Bolt and run a sub 11 sec one hundred meters? or sub 12, or sub 13?

Vin

[Don]

(nearly) Every one has the potential to break a piece of wood one inch thick. But running, for instance, is a different story.

If that's you're belief system, I guess for your, that's true.

Are you sure you can model Bolt and run a sub 11 sec one hundred meters? or sub 12, or sub 13?
Vin

If someone else can do it, and I want to do it, then with modeling it's possible.

[Poodle]

You have yet to learn NLP. One of the core beliefs in NLP is: IF IT IS POSSIBLE FOR ANYONE IN THIS WORLD, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR ME TOO. Anything outside of that statement is considered a negative or limited belief.

Got it?? :pood:

[unknown101]

I wonder how would one go by changing there slow twitch fibers to fast

[Merlin]

they're still teaching board breaking? kewl :)

[Merlin]

Almost all the material deals with the mental preparation for sports. But what about physiological adaptations normally occurring with training? With hypnosis it is possible to change behaviours, to produce astounding recoveries from ailments, to perform surgery without anesthetics etc. didn't read my FAQ or didn't like the answers?

[Poodle]

with Merlin's FAQ, we need to add "I have read the above material and fully understand it" -- followed by their name or if a person has a question regarding the FAQ it could be asked in the main Forum.

Maya, can this be accomplished with your great powers?

Pood

[Vin]

didn't read my FAQ or didn't like the answers?

Merlin,
I read your FAQ quite a few times. In fact, my initial question dealt with something you wrote also in your FAQ, in particular, but not only, about epigenetics and gene expression. Then, I tried to develop a specific question, such as: is physical training really necessary in, beside being a lot of fun, in order to obtain biological adaptations?
Knowing what I know and reading what you wrote the answer is no. Knowing how is quite different and I still need something more, to experiment, to obtain specific adaptations etc..

Vin

[Merlin]

well, the answer is yes BUT
imagine teaching the many 100s of muscles... big chore!
now imagine replaying the activity in the mind, emphasize right moves deemphasize short comings.

give the mind something to work with.
then build an error correction feedback loop

[Merlin]

hallucination is good too.
golf hole 2 meters away and 6 meters across.
hard to miss.

[Merlin]

Let's make an example:sprinting abilities depend upon a range of physiological traits, such as rate coding, intra- and inter-muscular coordination, ratio of fast to slow twitch fibers, relaxation of antagonist muscles etc.
Is it possible to obtain favourable physiological changes with hypnosis?
Vin
yes
but do you know how a 'a fast twitch' fiber should behave, or exactly when?
my recommendation; don't try

[unknown101]

What about asking the SUB-C to convert some of the slow twitch into fast twitch? All I know is fast twitch depends on your actn3 gene; which most non-Africans lack.

[Merlin]

What about asking the SUB-C to convert some of the slow twitch into fast twitch?

after all, you know better than their subconscious about your client's muscles.

[unknown101]

after all, you know better than their subconscious about your client's muscles.
Good point, maybe its better to just ask the Sub-C mind to make you run faster or jump higher, etc.