View Full Version : Another EEEEEvil Hypnotist
Well, TV has done it again. On tonight's (March 31) episode of "The Mentalist" there was yet another evil killer hypnotist. She hypnotized cops and--get this--an NLP trainer. Of course, she wasn't as good a hypnotist as the main character. I won't even go into all the silly, hysterical and fake stuff.
Connie
04-01-2009, 08:30 AM
I saw it! It was ludicrous!!! (But funny to me, I was laughing hysterically.) By the way, I guessed the murderer and her motive from scene one. I'm good!! :) Don, I also knew you would post about this. Parsa posted as well!
I HOPE lay people don't see this kind of nonsense and think it's real in any way. Especially absurd, this notion of being "stuck in trance forever, unless we can guess the trigger which put him there."
Oh, also amusing to me was this NLP slogan: "Get whatever you want, from whoever you want." Actually, a friend of mine uses similar advertising, and I don't think it adequately represents NLP and what it's about.
One of the things I like to say when giving workshops on hypnosis:
Isn't it amazing? You see a movie or TV show or read a novel about vampires and think, "It's fun, but it's fiction." Or you see some horror movie with monsters and think, "It's fun, but it's fiction." And then you see a fictional show or read some fiction that includes hypnosis as a plot point and think, "It's absolutely true." Why is that?
This usually gets lots of laughs and knowing nods. At least I get them thinking.
Connie
04-01-2009, 08:49 AM
Equal opportunity ridiculousness: both NLP and hypnosis are slammed as evil and manipulative.
parsa
04-01-2009, 09:04 AM
Do people really believe what they see on TV? I guess if it has some relevance to the real world and they don't have any close contact with that profession they may start believing.
I've read some where that prosecutors are weary of people (juries) that watch CSI and such shows, expecting the same level of evidence and such.
Unfortunately, people do believe TV. That's why advertisers spend money on it. Recently I heard a reporter complain that for most people, "If they didn't see it on TV it didn't happen."
A few years ago I was on a criminal jury. Although I suspected that the defendant was guilty, the prosecution did a poor job presenting their case and ethically--as well as following the judge's instructions--I had to find the defendant not guilty. He was the only "victim" in the case, so it didn't have an immediate negative effect on anyone else.
After the case, we pointed out to the prosecutor that one DNA test of some evidence would have resolved the entire issue one way or another. His response was that only high profile cases get DNA testing, and it takes weeks for results, not a few minutes like they show on TV.
BTW, after the case was over the defendant thanked us. I told him that according to the evidence and the judge's instructions I had to, by law, find him not guilty. But if he ever did what got him in trouble and harmed someone, I would personally hunt him down and kick his a$$. He looked surprised, and both his lawyer and the prosecutor smiled.
Poodle
04-01-2009, 11:18 AM
to NGH about these type of programs and received NO response; however, when it was on Oprah or in her magazine, they did get upset. I would like to know "what specifically is the difference".
Sorry - NOT - I missed it. I was watching "Dancing With The Stars" and ohhhh soooo wishing I were 20-30 some years old again.
Perhaps if a sufficient number of people write letters to the sponsors of these shows, that Eeeeevvvviiiiil hypnotist just may disappear. They don't want an angry public that is unwilling to buy their products.
The Pood
Connie
04-01-2009, 01:47 PM
I was discussing this with hubby...we were wondering if anyone watching would become interested enough through seeing this show to wonder what hypnosis and NLP REALLY are. Whether this stuff could eventually lead to someone becoming interested in knowing more, and eventually to participating in it in some way. Does just hearing "NLP" create interest in viewers' minds?
Connie, Don Mottin says that every time there is a news report claiming that hypnotherapy isn't effective with smoking cessation or weight loss, etc., the business at his clinic increases.
Poodle
04-01-2009, 10:28 PM
it now seems that Don no longer has a private practice and is out to sell all of us his fantastic little course wherein we can make every client just exactly the same inserting CD into pc and plug in A, B, C, and D and will have perfect results. Sorry Don - ain't interested. I already know how and how to make it INDIVIDUALLY for each of my clients as each one of them is a very unique person
If NGH got so upset about Oprah why don't they care about the rest of the garbage. Why do we pay them a lot of money every year. What is their job other than to have a couple of conferences per year, a magazine that often irritates me and a labor union for hypnotists. I absolutely refuse to read any of their NLP crap so I send in a couple of pages from my textbook that covers that area. Yes, I'm a snob!!
Connie
04-01-2009, 11:06 PM
Which Don? Don who? :) It's surely not "our Don" you're talking about.
parsa
04-02-2009, 08:22 AM
Pood,
Thought I'd answer you here instead of the other thread. I understand what you mean about the TV. Me, I think I'm a little bit of a TV junkie.
All this aside, I kind of actually like the show, I mean the mentalist. And there are some wrong references about how hypnosis is done and what it is and some right ones. Oh, and this I say just because of the stuff I've read here, you guys will probably find a lot more rights and wrongs.
Anyway the show is pretty popular, and it's mostly because of the character that Jane (Simmon Baker, the mentalist) portrays.
So I don't know how or if this will work but getting involved in the show may bring about some thing positive.
I do know that in general, networks are making a bit of an effort of giving acurate information even in their scifi shows. I think I read some where that they have a science advisor for the Big Bang show and they do usually make correct scientific remarks.
But as for your profession, it's a whole different story and a different level of complexity in such issues. Because an 'expert hypnostist' and a non fradualent one is still a bit murky as far as most mortals are concerned:).
National Geographic had this show about ET stuff and UFOs and so on. There were these people that claimed to have been abducted. They all recounted similar events and remembered everything in such a way that was very real to them. So as some sort of proof they were showing how this hypnotist would regress them to the memory and would vouch for them that yes indeed what they say is real. And then there were other experts, I think they were psychiatrist, trying to discredit the hypnostist.
I'm not surprised that Mottin has left private practice. I took an in-person training with him a few years ago and he had suffered a stroke a year earlier. He communicated well, but it was difficult for him to get around. Much easier to sell CDs & DVDs.
Parsa, I see all sorts of TV shows and movies with "advisors." However, the advice is always ignored if it doesn't meet a needed plot point.
If you go to an advisor it's still up to you to take the advice.
Poodle
04-02-2009, 10:56 AM
these step-by-step CD's for the pc IN PERSON and it comes with a workbook too. He is doing various workshops on the East Coast. I believe there were 6 listed for this year. It looks as if it lasts one whole day. The farthest west is Missouri.
Also written is that he is VP of NGH which I did not know.
I like to read script books for tidbits of info but I am most unwilling to fly across half of the USA for one whole day.
He is still teaching one CI course/year too.
Pood :)
unknown101
04-06-2009, 04:23 PM
it's a shame what the media makes hypnosis to be out; you guys are some of the most laid back cool guys (and ladies) i've ever talked to
Well, unknown, the media doesn't only go after hypnosis, they also go feed off each other. If they can't do that they feed off their young. And if they can't do that, the feed on themselves.
It's the nature of the beast.
Jacquin
04-09-2009, 01:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7ZWAQnCZ-s
Enjoy.
Anthony Jacquin.
Wow. I knew Simon Pegg fought evil zombies, but he shoots green lasers (the expensive kind) from his eyes, too!