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unknown101
02-22-2009, 03:34 PM
Hi everyone,
How would one try to increase his "REM" Sleep time during his sleep. It's said that most humans are in "REM" sleep for about 60 minutes; If I wanted to increase this via hypnosis how would it be done? Like trying to change that 60 minutes to 3 hours or so.
Thank you
Well, you'd go to a hypnotist, have him or her lead you into trance, give you a post hypnotic suggestion to stay in REM sleep for a longer period, and then bring you out of hypnosis.
A more interesting question, IMO, is why you'd want to do this.
Your body functions on natural cycles, and what you're saying is that you want to do something "un" natural. There's nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but other than just for grins and giggles, why would you want to do something that would upset the natural cyclical patterns of your body? Isn't that sort of like saying you know better than nature? Or put another way, that you're smarter than God?
Or you might give yourself the suggestion, "Tonight as I sleep and dream ..."
But I gotta go with the others, and beg the question, "Why?"
Do you trust your unconscious to know how much processing it needs, or is good for you?
Or do you want 'Supreme Allied Command' to make a determination and issue orders?
We might be able to really offer you help if you were to tell us what your outcome is.
skip
As everyone here knows, we do not advertise or sell items on these forums. I would like people to know, however, that Anthony Jacquin, who has just joined us, is a highly respected hypnotist, hypnotherapist, and trainer in England and has published a book that may change some of your ideas of what is possible with hypnosis. I mentioned it briefly in another thread. If you are interested in learning more, Google is your friend.
Welcome, Anthony. I hope you will visit us often and share your ideas and concepts.
Poodle
02-23-2009, 10:36 AM
HELP!! Has Anthony posted yet? Is he using his real name? I'm sorry that I've not noticed any "new" people.
If he is on board, I think we all would like to welcome him.
Hope you are feeling MUCH better!!
Hugs~Anne :)
Yes, he is using his last name, "Jacquin."
And thanks, I'm starting to feel better. I just had to remember my mother's remedy of using a humidifier.
Poodle
02-23-2009, 02:18 PM
My mother was in the hospital and informed me: "If I were home I'd go into the kitchen and make you a mustard plaster and keep it on you with heat."
Who needs anything when we have mother's advice!
Pood
Jacquin
02-24-2009, 10:09 AM
As everyone here knows, we do not advertise or sell items on these forums. I would like people to know, however, that Anthony Jacquin, who has just joined us, is a highly respected hypnotist, hypnotherapist, and trainer in England and has published a book that may change some of your ideas of what is possible with hypnosis. I mentioned it briefly in another thread. If you are interested in learning more, Google is your friend.
Welcome, Anthony. I hope you will visit us often and share your ideas and concepts.
Hi Don,
thanks for your welcome. I have made a few posts but they do not seem to be appearing. Are you/the moderator seeing them?
Best regards,
Anthony Jacquin
Poodle
02-24-2009, 05:35 PM
even the elite have to follow the rules around this place which means Don or Skip will read and approve your next 9 posts then you are FREE.
May I offer a BIG WELCOME ABOARD.
Poodle (the talking dog a/k/a Anne) :)
Anthony, it appears that you are having the same problem as some other people, which makes me believe there is some issue with the software being used for the forum. I'm only a moderator, but I'll inform the administration.
Yes, I had the same problem, too.
Vin
According to Dr. Matt, we recently had to change servers, and this may have resulted in the problem. He's checking into it.
Poodle
02-26-2009, 08:54 AM
The one with "my person" has been well before last Christmas. Can also send me "open" messages on "my page".
Pood
unknown101
03-08-2009, 11:16 AM
Thanks for the responses.
Why? Well I really don't have an answer, besides the fact the most important cycles of sleep are 3 & 4 which also happen to release hormones. I was seeing how I would accelerate sleep stage 1-2 and increase 3-4 so I can sleep less and get more out of it.
Thanks
Unknown,
May I mke a suggestion ...
You have two posts here both of which are fairly specific.
I, for one, appreciate that you have done your homework, and shown initiative. That goes a long way in securing help from people.
I have a suspicion that you might obtain better answers and thus better results if you were to start by saying what it is that you want to accomplish in more general terms, then indicate that you have heard, read, whatever that if you increase REM sleep that you could increase your testersorone level, and thus accomplish xxx.
Or some such.
I suspect there is a very good possiility that someone here knows another, possibly better way, to help you get what you want. At very least we could help you get what you want the way you are going about it more effectively.
See we can tell you how to increase testersone levels, but does that get you what you want?
skip
Jacquin
04-09-2009, 02:31 AM
Hi Unknown101
sorry for the delay in replying to this, there was an issue with the forum and my posts did not get through.
I have an idea how you increase your REM sleep and also why this is perhaps not a good idea. These ideas come from my understanding of the pioneering work of Ivan Tyrell and Joe Griffin - and their approach known as Human Givens. I thoroughly recommend their book Human Givens
http://www.humangivens.com/publications/human-givens-book.html
We have known about the REM state for a long time. What we know is that during this time we dream. We also know that it is not a recuperative state physically, in fact it is a tax on the physical body. It has remained a bit of a mystery - why do we dip in an out of REM sleep?
Tyrell and Griffin have provided answers to these and many more questions. These insights have profound implications for psychotherapy and the nature of hypnosis.
According to T and G the reason we need REM sleep it two-fold. One of those reasons is to process unresolved emotional ruminations of the waking day. During our waking day we encounter situations real or imagined where we think and feel something. If we take appropriate action you could think of that as being a completed loop - think, feel, act. If we fail to act think of it as an incompleted loop - an arc. The brain did the thinking, the body readied itself to respond but then their was nowhere for this to go. One of the functions of REM sleep is to therefore complete processing of these unresolved ruminations. Think of it as a system reset. Deep sleep is for the body. REM sleep is for the mind/brain. Your dreams are simply your brains 'reality' generator' playing out these scenraios in a metaphorical, symbolic way. So although you may dream of a person you knew years ago, you are still in fact dreaming about stuff related to your previous waking day.
When people are clinically depressed they spend an excessive amount of their sleep time in REM sleep. This may well be because they spend an excessive amount of time ruminating. This is a double edged sword because the more time you spend in REM the less time you spend in deep sleep. This takes a physical toll on the body, so you wake up feeling lethargic and this shapes your thinking the next day - you sit around ruminating more (I am simplifying things). Gradually it can lead to you ignoring more and more of your basic needs. Worse thing to do at this point is stay in bed forcing more REM sleep. Of course one of the things we ruminate on when suffering from depression is 'why do I feel like this?' It is just another rumination with nowhere to go.
So in short if you want more REM, spend more of your waking day thinking about stuff that makes you experience strong emotions but do not act, just go over and over it. Secondy do not do this, because it is highly likely to make you feel depressed.
Read Human Givens. They have produced something amazing. Also seek out the 'Depression Learning Path' by Tyrells son Mark. It is available for free online and explains how REM and depression are linked.
How REM and hypnosis are linked is equally fascinating.
Anthony
JACKO
04-09-2009, 03:06 AM
Hi!
This is wow!
I'd really like to hear Dons take on this.
Thank you
Jacko
My take is pretty much the same as everyone else's. I said as much earlier in this thread. Yes, it's possible, but the question is why? There is a reason we have a natural amount of time in REM, and to increase that time would mean a decrease in other periods of sleep time. That could cause untold problems and would be unecological.
I asked the original poster this question and the poster never replied. They made sort of a drive-by post, I guess.
unknown101
04-09-2009, 11:06 AM
My take is pretty much the same as everyone else's. I said as much earlier in this thread. Yes, it's possible, but the question is why? There is a reason we have a natural amount of time in REM, and to increase that time would mean a decrease in other periods of sleep time. That could cause untold problems and would be unecological.
I asked the original poster this question and the poster never replied. They made sort of a drive-by post, I guess.
I did not ignore this thread, just never really had an answer my friend. There are people who sleep in specific shifts to get more rem sleep; hypnosis can achieve it also
Merlin
04-09-2009, 02:06 PM
altering sleep, in any way, can really mess up your endocrine system.
beware!
Poodle
04-09-2009, 06:17 PM
[quote=Jacquin;74023]
When people are clinically depressed they spend an excessive amount of their sleep time in REM sleep.
Anthony
According to whom may I ask? One of the symptomologies of clinical depression is often insomnia.
This is akin to saying all apples are red when indeed they grow in many different colors.
And, the link to Human Givens is a direct link to training with them instead of Dr. Matt.
Pood
Jacquin
04-16-2009, 07:10 AM
[quote=Jacquin;74023]
When people are clinically depressed they spend an excessive amount of their sleep time in REM sleep.
Anthony
According to whom may I ask? One of the symptomologies of clinical depression is often insomnia.
This is akin to saying all apples are red when indeed they grow in many different colors.
And, the link to Human Givens is a direct link to training with them instead of Dr. Matt.
Pood
They cite a reasonable body of evidence in the book. Regardless of whether they suffer from insomnia they sleep at some point. When they do it is likely they will spend an excessive amount of time in the REM phase.
Apologies I grabbed the link from a products page of their website that featured the book. It is called Human Givens: A New Approach to Emotional Health and Clear Thinking. Hope that helps.
Ant