Help me to escape from hypnosis

[KiranDandge]

Hi! friends
One gang take my subcoscious control when I was in the sleep.
They give me post hypnotic suggestions and I follow their order when I was awake.
How did they manage it?
They even control my physiological functions.
Many time they induced acidity.
All the night they ask me my personal information and I told them!
I try to escape from them and started self hypnosis but not get a single % of success yet. Why?
My mind does not accept my order and follow theri order only.
This is happening from the last three years.
They regularly come at night when I get sleep ask my whole information and give me the post hypnotic suggestions.
Can anybody help me how to escape from them.
I am in dire need of help.
Please help me.
You can contact me at kirandandge@rediffmail.com
Yo

[solaris152000]

I am no expert, so I may be wrong, but from what Ive learnt, I dont belive you. No one can make you do things you dont want to do under hypnosis, i thought that was the golden rule.

[Alonso]

I've practiced hypnosis/trance for a while now and I know there could be extremes. It seems difficult to believe that these things can happen, to you, but they do, and they're fun. I've induced orgasms when I did not want to do so, in full waking consciousness. Whoops, but hey I was watching my favorite porn star, :confused:

Start changing your belief sytem little by little, stop doing what other people say all the time. Perhaps in time those guys will not get their way with you.

Did I also mention last Wednesday I went to sleep for 2 hours, had one of the most lucid dreams I can think of (I was so deep in trance while asleep), that I had a wet dream, tricked myself into believing this wasn't so, in other words, pulled in some images of waking up and going like nah, can't feel anything wet in my pants.

So, yeah man, I would say your mind is very used to following commands and is permanently changing its own belief system based on what society tells you, what every source of input tells you you do. Stop doing it. Come on, they could induce some pretty weird things on you if they wanted.

[rodimus]

I do not know if this is for real or hallucination, or how did they get into your room while u are sleeping?? Next time lock your door when you sleep.

Try this affirmation for at least 1 week:

"Nobody can hypnotise me because my mind can ONLY be influence by myself and the power of good. My subconscious now accepts the fact that I am completely free from all external hypnosis and all false suggestions. It rejects the idea that anyone other than myself can control my mind. Any posthypnotic suggestion by other people are completely deleted and made void of expression forever. I am in total control".

[Jack]

Hello Kiran,

You should seek professional help for your problem. This forum is not the place to receive the personal attention you need.

As a suggestion, try sleeping in a different place for one night and see if you have the same problem.

Jack

[Kiran Dandge]

Hi Rodimus you give following advice :

Try this affirmation for at least 1 week:

"Nobody can hypnotise me because my mind can ONLY be influence by myself and the power of good. My subconscious now accepts the fact that I am completely free from all external hypnosis and all false suggestions. It rejects the idea that anyone other than myself can control my mind. Any posthypnotic suggestion by other people are completely deleted and made void of expression forever. I am in total control".[/QUOTE]

First thanks for your suggestions. I typed it neatly and pasted in my all the room. But it did not works. I also email to you for the purpose. I think I am experiencing slavish obedience and subconcious is under control of them. Then what are the solutions for this situation? Your help and guidance is needed. Thanks in anticipation.

[irisheye]

No-one can make you do anything against your values.


My feeling is it's all in your head. you've given them permission to take advantage of your superstitions.Take it back,it's that easy.

[A Freind]

Functions of the Subconscious

The basic functions of the subconscious are preservation, protection and procreation. If you use suggestions that violate the way the subconscious interprets its purpose in any of these areas, you will not get anywhere with the suggestions.

Sometimes you can start out okay, but as soon as your suggestions kick in and you begin to get results the subconscious becomes alarmed and puts resistive forces in place. If you have an experience like this -- early success followed by reversal of the gains -- it is probably caused by subconsciously perceived threat. Because the subconscious mind is exceptionally devious and mysterious, you may find that your suggestions' failure is masked to look natural.

Subconscious Needs

Many of our more subtle needs reside at the subconscious level. We are usually aware of obvious needs, such as the needs for air, water, food, warmth, etc. But some of the "softer" needs may not be so obvious. Some of these vary across individuals and can include such subconscious requirements as the needs to be an adult, to always have a nurturing adult figure in our lives, to be healthy and, in short, to be anything upon which we might have imprinted when young.

Subtler, unknown subconscious needs can create a lot of problems if they are not dealt with properly in suggestion formulation. Suggestions to quit smoking would, for example, run afoul of the subconscious needs to be an adult. This would be a problem in a case in which the subconscious mind has made a connection between smoking and being an adult. In subconscious terms, no smoking, no adulthood. Goofy, but that is the way subconscious logic works.

[Unregistered2]

I suggest you to go to to the prosecutor's office or to the police. I'm not sure if they can do something for you, but you should try it, if you are sure to be right.

But first, you should ask a recognized forensic hypnotist to help you.
A psychiatrist (or at least an MD or a psychologist) might be accurate here, cause he has the highest reputation in a court's sight.

[Avatar]

What you are describing sounds like brainwashing which is different than just being hypnotised. If this is the case, then you need to get professional help from someone who is experienced in deprogramming cult members.

Steven Hassan has written some excellent books on the subject if you want more information. If you have been brainwashed, I doubt affirmations or self hypnosis will work.

[thackaray]

You can ignore the suggestions given to you at will.

[Avatar]

Here is a link to the "Freedom of Mind Center": http://www.freedomofmind.com/ It looks like an organization run by Steven Hassen, a leading expert (and NLPer) on Mind Control and Leaving Cults. I really think someone like him would be a good resource for you.

BTW, I don't work for Hassen or even know him, but I have read his material and think it's excellent.

[Kiran Dandge]

Hellow Friends,
My name is Kiran Dandge I am a very misfortunate youth from Nashik, near Bombay in India.
Here I am going to narrate my story in short.
Since my whole education was in my Mother Tongue Marathi the story written at here is in poor English please try to forget any spelling and grammatical mistakes and please concentrate on the seriousness of the story and try to help me through any possible ways. Thanks in anticipation.
One extremist religious group took control of my subconscious mind when I was infant. (Consciously I don’t know exactly at what age.) From that date to still today my subconscious mind is solely controlled by them. They not only control my subconscious mind but also my external environment i.e. they are omnipresent to me.
For their convenience they arrange my nurture through counterfeit parents. Even my most friends, relatives, some teachers, seniors at work place are also counterfeit.
When I sleep at night I did not go into natural sleep instead I go into the fourth stage of hypnosis. Since these peoples have strong control over my subconscious. At night these people come and withdraw every information and as per this information they arrange my external environment which is mostly harassing, dominative, underestimating, misguiding and some time insulting and abusive. In addition to this my actions, emotions, thoughts, plans are also arrange by these peoples.
Now with the help of this they can able to made me the man of their choice.
Their man of choice their will be like this : He should be truly religious, he must control all of his five senses since as per their view which is based on religious philosophy five senses are unnecessary and are the main hindrance in the way of God. That’s why we should must control and dominate all of the five senses and strictly maintain celibacy, eat simple food if possible remain on fast, wear simple clothes if possible remain nude, remain awake since sleep is unnecessary and take continuously the name of God. Why this much torture? Because one day God will be please on us and allow us to submerge with him!
What is worst? They are against any attractions and enjoyment. They consider that these attractions and search of enjoy bring great stress and strain in human life. Because of unsatisfied attractions and enjoy human soul remain on earth and he will not able to submerge with God. So it is essential we should remain away from every attractions and enjoyment and remain in deep sorrow.
They does not believe on science, and any low made by human. They even did not believe on this material world and consider everything is just a hallucination. No doubt they many mis belief.
Since, I should also believe on all of this they handle my life with much cruelty. In the whole life I am always in great sorrow, stressed, strain, frustrate, depressed, annoyed, in hypertension, always feel great headache and migraine.
They almost destroy my every dream and attractions and give me lots of torture and harassment. They almost rotten my 31 years of life and rotting further.
No doubt this whole mission is illegal, unlawful and unscientific. They are violating every human rights. They are doing this mission by violating law and order.
They are doing all their annoying work through counterfeit and pre convinced peoples always around me. In my whole 31 year of life I was always encircled by misguiding, counterfeit, pre convinced peoples.
Interestingly no one including police and Government officials are helping to me. I think they are winning co operation of people at large on religious basis. They are spending almost millions of rupees for the purpose.
They not only torture me mentally but also physically. Toothaches are equivalent to heartaches and from 1990 to still this date I am suffering toothaches. Now, you can get glimpse of their torture. My three teeth with great pain and harassment were extracted. They give me pain for almost five years. Many teeth have cavities in them. I eat food with replacing cotton in them!
They also made me habitual of Gutkha (Mixture of areca nut, tobacco and magnesium carbonate). Due to this situation becomes more worst. Half of the fleshy part of the tongue wastes away, white patches and minute blisters developed inside lips and in chicks, lips turns into black, teeth problems becomes even more worst. Throat tissues becomes hard and mouth does not open fully but remain on inch short. First stage of cancer called submucossa fibrosis developed. Due to which food with minute chili I taste very hot. Since they are omnipresent to me. They deliberately serve me hot food. Because of this during meal I have to require drink lots of water and I eat less food. Because of which health deteriorate abnormally.
They even beat me public in the heart of city by finding with some trifle reason. One time one person break my head with glass bottle four sutures were formed on my head. Illegally they also send me to jail.
Consciously I was unaware all of this until age 28 up to 2002 i.e. they did their all dirty work without conscious knowledge. But in 2002 they increase their attempts of harassment many time and this is the reason they slowly starts to come into conscious knowledge. Only recently in April 2006 I able to understand their plan fully.
I try hard to destroy their subconscious control but in vain. Many time I approach police stations but in vain. I try big cities like Bombay, Delhi to make escape from them but in vain. To make escape from them I almost traveled 1000 miles and try big cities like Chandigarh, Ludhiana, Amritsar, Shimla, Zhansi, Chattarpur, Bhopal to make escape from them but in vain. From this you can get idea in how much percent I am annoyed by them.
Since they know my every action, thought and planning. As per this they arrange peoples having ugly faces, peoples having skin diseases, crippled and handicapped peoples in daily ways of life. This peoples arranged and behave like that all is going naturally and no one is arranged their presence. Besides there are other hundred and hundred of things they develop specially to tease and harass me in the daily ways of life. Like they show me 13 number which I consider ominous and 6 number which represent eunuch personality on vehicles or on other places in the daily ways of life specially to annoy me.
Recently on 28 –4- 2006 they arrange a false court (it is false since in summer court remain close) for a false case at Quilla court, Azad Nagar Maidan Police Station, Near Chattrapati Shivaji Terminus, Victoria Terminus at Bombay and send me for seven days of hard imprisonment at Arthur Road Jail since it was overcrowded next day they shift me to Bycull Jail at Bombay.
Interestingly the same case will be on hearing on 18-5-2006 at Quilla court, Probably at 2nd floor, Court No. 8 (I have doubt about the number) at Azad Nagar Maidan Police Station, Near Chattrapati Shivaji Terminus, Victoria Terminus at Bombay. That day I will be here with maroon colored half sleeve shirt with white pant. My identification mark is I have mole on right forehand as well as on right thigh and on chest. I have my photo on yahoo 3600 my yahoo 3600 ID is Kiran D. Since these peoples also have control on my yahoo ID and on my email ID. It is possible that I will hallucinate my photo while you will see different person. So only true identity will only by dress code and through by moles.
After this date it will also possible they send me any jail in Maharashtra state probably in Arthur Road Jail or Byculla Jail in Bombay. So please your help is most important for me.
My Nashik Address is : Full Name : Kiran Prabhakar Dandge, Flat No.6, Viraj Apartment, Abhove Bharat Gas Agency, Sawata Nagar, Cidco – 4, Nashik – 422008, Maharashtra State, India.
If you are from Bombay, Pune, Aurangabad, Jalgaon, Jalna, Dulia, Malegaon, Ahmednagar, Sangamner then you can help me since these city are near to Nashik.
At this place they did all their ways to prevent you. But please do not come in their trap and please try to help me. They also misguide to you on various basis.
I did not want to any kind of economic help from you. I just want to break this 31 year of prison.
Email help is not guaranteed still I am giving my email addresses 1) kirandandge@rediffmail.com 2) kirandandge@yahoo.co.in 3) dandgekiran@indiatimes.com
Thanking in anticipation.
Yours truly,
Kiran Dandge

[peterjluce]

It seems you are continuously moving around different parts of India. This must surely make it very difficult for you to work, or to make friends. Without friends and regular work, you will have too much time alone to think about these troubles.

I suggest you try to settle down in one place, and find work. Obviously you understand English and are familiar with computers, so you could work in that area, maybe in a Call Centre? Gradually you will make friends with colleagues, if you remember that most people are basically OK.

I also suggest that if you are Hindu, you should attend a normal temple. Find a holy man who is well-respected by many people in your town, and ask him about these strange doctrines you have been taught. He will assure you that they are not true religion.

About your tongue, you must follow the advice of a doctor.

The thoughts you have are your own thoughts. Someone has played a trick on you, and convinced you that your thoughts belong to them, and that they have put these thoughts into your mind. You have convinced yourself of this by constant worry. THat is why it is best if you have work and friends, and less time alone.

[Avatar]

I am no expert, so I may be wrong, but from what Ive learnt, I dont belive you. No one can make you do things you dont want to do under hypnosis, i thought that was the golden rule.

While that may be true with hypnosis, brainwashing (although related) is a much different circumstance. From what I've read of the description the ordeal this man has endured, I'd say that brainwashing techniques were used to convince him of the power these people hold over him.

I would say that if he wants to escape this brainwashing, he needs to get in touch with someone who is skilled in cult deprogramming.

One thing that strikes me as odd is that he is saying that they have programmed his subconscious...if that were the case, I doubt he'd be aware of the program ...he'd just do the program.

I think the resolution is more than this forum can deal with. I hope someone in India rescues this man and gets him the help he needs.

[Don]

Cult deprogramming=brainwashing to make someone believe the way I like.

Do you really think that's a good idea? It was created by someone with no psychological training, study, or experience. He just duplicated the techniques of the so-called brainwashers to install different programming. It has included kidnapping, and torture techniques.

Are you really supporting this type of behavior?

[Avatar]

Cult deprogramming=brainwashing to make someone believe the way I like.

Okay, that's your definition. Not necessarily accurate but your definition nevertheless.


Do you really think that's a good idea? It was created by someone with no psychological training, study, or experience. He just duplicated the techniques of the so-called brainwashers to install different programming. It has included kidnapping, and torture techniques.


He who? Steven H? If so, I referred to him because he wrote an excellent book on the subject. Are you saying that Steven H created "deprogramming"? If so, lol perhaps someone should tell Bandler ... .

Kidnapping, torture...? Hmmm you must be thinking of Bush's little camp in Cuba. lol

As for choice of a "deprogrammer" I recommended the person find someone who has experience in dealing with cult programming because they will know more about dissembling the layers of programming that was put upon this person. An experienced NLP practitioner would be the best choice - a psychologist with no hypnosis or NLP training would likely be ineffective.

BTW, an NLP practitioner is essentially a "deprogrammer" ... we de-program, re-program, change program ... . I think you assumed I meant something else.

Are you really supporting this type of behavior?

No, I'm a Canadian ... we use different methods here. lol

[Don]

No, I don't mean Steven H., and if you new the history of cult deprogramming you'd know whom I was talking about.

NLP has nothing to do with cult deprogramming. NLP practitioners do not use a group of thugs to kidnap people against their wills and hold them incommunicado for days or weeks. NLP helps people who want to change.

[Avatar]

No, I don't mean Steven H., and if you new the history of cult deprogramming you'd know whom I was talking about.


I'm beginning to think you are trying to pick an argument. lol

This reminds me of a quote I once read: "Winning an argument on a forum is like winning a race in the special Olympics. You may have won the race but you are still a retard."

NLP has nothing to do with cult deprogramming. NLP practitioners do not use a group of thugs to kidnap people against their wills and hold them incommunicado for days or weeks. NLP helps people who want to change.

I never said it did. Did you read my message or skim it and jump to a conclusion here? You appear to be talking about a different group of people than what I am.

The people I admire and respect are those who like to share their knowledge not use it as a pedestal to stand on.

[Don]

No, Avatar, I'm stating the facts about so-called "cult-deprogramming" which you suggested. You also claimed that for a deprogrammer, "An experienced NLP practitioner would be the best choice."

You have made suggestions about "cult deprogramming" seemingly without knowing how it operates, how it started, or what its practitioners do.

I'm glad you admire and respect people who like to share their knowledge. So do I. However, I also stand up to people who spread ignorance by shining the light of facts on their statements.

[Avatar]

You have made suggestions about "cult deprogramming" seemingly without knowing how it operates, how it started, or what its practitioners do.

You have made your point that some cult deprogrammers operate in a manner that you find disturbing. I'm not interested in those people, nor are they or have they ever been the subject of the statement I made.

My point is that there are many ways & more than one type of person who has experience in deprogramming someone who has been brainwashed. The people you are referring to are only one type of deprogrammer. That is not the type of person that I had in mind when I made the statement "someone who is skilled in cult deprogramming."

What I know or don't know about these people you are talking about is irrelevant as I've already excluded them from the people I was referring to when I said "someone who is skilled in cult deprogramming."


However, I also stand up to people who spread ignorance by shining the light of facts on their statements

I'm pretty sure that you have misunderstood the nature of what I was saying about deprogramming so .... Given that you don't understand the meaning of my statements, I don't see how you could possibly make an accurate judgment on whether I need my facts enlightened or not.

The funny thing is that if the person's statement actually meant what you perceive it to mean - you'd be right. Trouble is, until you clarify the meaning with the person - your perception could be distorted rendering your argument irrelevant.

[Don]

Actually, I'm pretty sure you have a concept in your mind about what a cult deprogrammer should be, and that is at variance with what cult deprogrammers are.

Try doing a google search on "cult deprogrammer" and find out what they do, especially when compared to what some claim they do. Question: how many are felons? How many have gotten out of going to jail on a technicality?

Most cult deprogrammers would fit in very well at Guantanamo Bay.

[Avatar]

Actually, I'm pretty sure you have a concept in your mind about what a cult deprogrammer should be, and that is at variance with what cult deprogrammers are.

Correct.


Try doing a google search on "cult deprogrammer" and find out what they do, especially when compared to what some claim they do. Question: how many are felons? How many have gotten out of going to jail on a technicality?


Nah, I'm not really interested. There are unscrupulous people in every field why should this one be any different.

I guess the moral of this story is not to mention the word "cult deprogrammer" around you. lol

[Eliyahu]

Correct.



Nah, I'm not really interested. There are unscrupulous people in every field why should this one be any different.



The number of those that are unscrupulous in this field is what is significant.

Or is that irrelevant?

Apparently it is since you are not "really interested".

But of course, showing interest in another persons point would be detrimental to your argument, wouldn't it?



Oh, by the way, the moral of the story is two wrongs don't make a right.

[Don]

There are "cult deprogrammers" who, for enough money (and it is all about money), will "rescue" a person from any cult, including mainstream Judaism, Roman Catholicism, etc.

If a person wants to change, they can get lots of help from an NLP practitioner or hypnotherapist. Kidnapping, sensory denial, intimidation or actual violence, are not a positive.

[skip]

"The number of those that are unscrupulous in this field is what is significant."

And you know this how?

So what is the average percentage of unscrupulous people?

And what is the percentage of uncscrupulous people in the 'deprograming' field?

And if there is a statistically valid difference, is there no other reason, except unscrupulousness, to account for it?

Just want to be sure of my facts before I become aroused.

skip

[Avatar]

The number of those that are unscrupulous in this field is what is significant. Or is that irrelevant?

It's relevant in what it is but it wasn't relevant to the point I was trying to make.

However, when I look at this fact(?) in the whole context of the conversation, it becomes relevant enough for me to want to correct what I first said so here it goes -- "The subject should find someone professionally to work with. Someone who is knowledgeable about cults and how their programming works. An NLP practitioner would be a good candidate since they specialize in de-programming. NOTE: The word "deprogramming" here is being used as a verb (a description of an action)and not a noun (an occupation) because many of those who claim to be "cult deprogrammers" are apparently bad, people as bad as the original nasties that installed the thought virius". There - that should satisfy the masses or start a whole new ball of yarn for the wordsmiths to unravel, misunderstand and attack over. :)


Apparently it is since you are not "really interested".
But of course, showing interest in another persons point would be detrimental to your argument, wouldn't it?


Oh now you're just trying to be mean. I'm curious, what do you think the argument was?


Oh, by the way, the moral of the story is two wrongs don't make a right.


That applies to you as well .... right ... or is it wrong, wrong? :p

[Avatar]

Just want to be sure of my facts before I become aroused.



Brilliant! Now here's a person who is thinking and communicating in the spirit of what I would expect from an NLPer.

Skip, will you marry me? Just kidding.

[Avatar]

One gang take my subcoscious control when I was in the sleep.
They give me post hypnotic suggestions and I follow their order when I was awake.


How do you know what anyone did while you were asleep?


I try to escape from them and started self hypnosis but not get a single % of success yet. Why?


If these people are doing the things you say they are and getting the results you say they are, then your skill level at self hypnosis is not sufficient to undo the program, which is why you would need to get professional help.

The people who have been most successful in fighting brainwashing have been those who do not take their captors seriously or those who have a belief system much stronger than what the captors are trying to install. The more one fights the brainwashing, the easier it is to install the program. The more emotionally unbalanced the captors can make the victim, the stronger their suggestions will be.

Brainwashing is a different process than hypnosis.


Can anybody help me how to escape from them.


The only way to escape these people is to physically get away from them forever and then get professional help.

You say that they are trying to extract information from you - I'm curious as to what you know that they would go to such lengths to try to extract? Is this a religious cult or are you a political prisoner of some sort?

[Nemesis Rogue]

One word: troll.

Now that's the quickest intervention you'll see.

[Avatar]

One word: troll.

Now that's the quickest intervention you'll see.

Can you please explain what you mean?

[skip]

"Skip, will you marry me? Just kidding."

I usually have to do a bit of 'cult programing' myself before I am asked this.

:)

I am having a bit of difficulty with this whole thread, and it is mainly because of the word unscrupulous.

"Unscrupulous" according to whose value system?

The cult leader's?

The law?

The cult member?

The cult member's friends?

The employer of the deprogramer?

The deprogramer?

See I was once hired to 'de-program' a cult memebr.

I allowed myself to be recruited into the cult. I worked my way into a position of authority over my 'target'. Using my "NLP mind control powers", I convinced the girl that I has a very special mission for her. That she was to go back home, act normal, pick up her life, and live it as if she werent in the cult. That I would re-activate her when she is in the best position to help the cult, so she must be as successful in her life as she can be.

She went back home, eventually married, and had children.

Now lets check Skippie's unscrupulousness rating.

The cult leader would call me unscrupulous.

The law would be OK with it.

The cult member would consider me unscrupulous if she knew. (or would have at the time)

The cult member's friends, in the cult, would consider me unscrupulous, out of the cult, would be mixed.

The employers of the deprogramer would consider me unscrupulous if they had known I didnt really de-program her.

IMO it was a pretty nifty piece of work. I didnt coerce the girl, I entered into her world model, and persuaded her to do something that she wanted to do. I fulfilled the parents expectations, by getting their daughter back, and she was back because she 'wanted' to be back.

So how did I do?

Didnt know you were consorting with an 'unscrupulous' did you?

skip

[Don]

An internet troll is someone who makes a post not to learn anything, but to get people riled up. He (usually it's a younger male) gets some sort of joy out of having people get worked up, call him names, argue with each other etc. Such a troll does nothing and says nothing of any value, but helps to ruin discussion forums.

[Avatar]

An internet troll is someone who makes a post not to learn anything, but to get people riled up. He (usually it's a younger male) gets some sort of joy out of having people get worked up, call him names, argue with each other etc. Such a troll does nothing and says nothing of any value, but helps to ruin discussion forums.

Thanks, so who or what was the Troll? The original poster?