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Voltaire
11-12-2008, 09:12 PM
Where can I simply take a test to attain a Masters Certification?
Everywhere I look requires to take an expensive class, then you get it. Im entirely self taught & have been and still am learning since I was 14 (Im 18 now). Im pretty sure I can pass whatever test there is by now, and any class would just be review.

Connie
11-12-2008, 10:43 PM
Such a certification would be an insult to real NLP Master Practitioners. You have to demonstrate excellence and understanding, and that means live, in person, on real people. Self-study is a start, but no where near as valuable as a real training. As people here have said, it's like the difference between looking at a photograph of a bicycle and hearing a description of riding it, and the experience of riding a bicycle. MUCH different. Go take a real training, and you'll be amazed at how much more you learn with live instructors giving live feedback, and classmates to practice on and with.

Terry
11-12-2008, 11:37 PM
Oh dear, two posts, and already he is on my ignore list. Must be spoiled by the lack of other spam, scam, and troll visitations....:)

Soren K (existing)
11-13-2008, 05:10 AM
Where can I simply take a test to attain a Masters Certification?
Everywhere I look requires to take an expensive class, then you get it. Im entirely self taught & have been and still am learning since I was 14 (Im 18 now). Im pretty sure I can pass whatever test there is by now, and any class would just be review.

These Certs are given out for taking a course (rather than an examination). The course qualifies you for the certification. Being able to put what you've learned into practice will be more valuable than anything you can recount under examination environment (like at school or whatever). Certainly I will not be opening any practice until I can demonstrate to myself that I have the ability to effectively change people to their benefit. This means I will prove it to myself first, and I'm willing to accept this may take longer than the attainment of P and MP certification, (maybe even advanced MP too). There will come a time, however. If you think you are worthy of the certificate, why not set yourself a goal and manifest the money to attend? This should be easy enough, and when you are suprised at how well you've done generating all that cash, remember it gets easier and easier to do something once you've done it once.

When you have your income, don't go to the cheapest because it's cheap, rather, go to the best because it's best. There are many excellent trainers out there who have demonstrated beyond doubt that they know what they are doing because they use their knowledge in their own life and teaching - learn from them. There are others who know the material well enough but who don't practice what they preach. With the knowledge you have currently gained, you can be very successful - IF you put your mind to it.

Poodle
11-13-2008, 06:09 AM
NLP is expensive but you just really can't afford not to have it especially in these days and times of economic upheaval. Besides that, it's an awful lot of fun.

Daring to speak for the others too, it's the best investment we have ever made in ourselves.

Perhaps if you take Prac. one year and then wait a year for Master Prac. it will seem like less.

Books are fantastic in teaching you ABOUT NLP but there is NO book that will teach you all you need to know to DO NLP very well.

Different trainers charge different amounts so look around and find that which is just right for you. We have an amazing concept -- we use NLP to teach NLP.

Wishing you the best
Pood :)

Merlin
11-13-2008, 10:19 AM
Well, I have a slightly different take :)
You only need to convince me of your skill level :)
Go ahead and post your most convincing metaphoric post, including embedded commands persuading me of your skill. Include language in your post to lead me to somnambulism.
Watch my eyes to note my primary rep system.
Match, then mirror my body language, pacing, then leading to get us in deep rapport.
Then, install in me a belief that you are qualified :)

skip
11-13-2008, 10:23 AM
OK Voltare,

You can pass any test.

Go to Bandler, Bennett Stiller, Me, any number of others who are qualified to award Master certification, and using the skills you have taught yourself, either overtly or covertly convince one to certify you on your terms not theirs.

That is fair test.

cheers,

skip

Connie
11-13-2008, 12:13 PM
Just to clarify...it's Bennett Stellar. Because the students who come out of there are stellar performers. :) Right, Poodle? :D

Poodle
11-13-2008, 02:03 PM
has a definite point. Come to me. Demonstrate to me everything I teach in Prac and Master Prac. Bring $400 for licensing fees and if you pass, I'll be glad to send your name in. It would be much cheaper, however, to do it with Skip as he does not have to charge for the licensing fees. I am only allowed to issue a certificate of completion so your Master Prac and Prac certificates would be signed by me and Dr. Richard Bandler. Please realize that I charge $1,800/hour for my time so you had better be good and fast or it will end up costing you much more than the full course.

Deal? or NO Deal? (which box has the million dollars in it?)

Pood :eek:

There is no secret to what I train -- it's all listed on the website.

The Length
11-19-2008, 10:24 PM
i hear you can buy them cheaply on ebay now. i guess thats how a lot of people here have got them.

Don
11-19-2008, 10:26 PM
And who on this forum do you claim received their master prac via ebay?

Poodle
11-20-2008, 10:00 AM
Here's a great chance to use some of that Meta Model informational gathering and with this particular poster I certainly would NOT soften the questions.
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And, since they are up on eBay, whose signatures do they bear? Come on. Tell me. I'm really interested. I'm a licensed NLP Trainer and even I do not have the authority to sign such documents. Pluhease show us and then tell us which ones of us on this Forum bought our certs on eBay. I do, however, have the power to challenge Prac. certifications and make them take a test to prove to me they know everything taught in my Prac. course and then they are welcomed into my Master Prac. course. This also occurs at Trainer's Training if you have not trained in our "group". Just imagine being on stage demonstrating anything and everything Richard Bandler desires for you to do. Ohhhhh my. So much easier to take the trainings in person.

I am 100% sure it's not Skip as I know where and when he trained.
I am 100% sure it is not Docresults as I know where and when he trained.
I am 100% sure it is not Don as I know where and when he trained.
I am 100% sure it is not Merlin as I know with whom she trained.
I am 100% sure it is not Connie as I know each and every training she has attended.
I am 100% sure it is not Jack as I know with whom he trained.
I am 100% sure it is not me.

so

who's left around here? Do you always believe everything you hear? Has anyone ever told you anything untruthful before?

Do you always believe everything you read?

Pood :mad:

Don
11-20-2008, 12:57 PM
Poodle, it was the Length who made the obviously false claim, not Soren.

Soren K (existing)
11-20-2008, 02:23 PM
Poodle, it was the Length who made the obviously false claim, not Soren.

Thanks Don, pood was referring to somethin else wi me tho, while challengin Length's seeming 'spite' (?) - can't think of a better reason for such a claim, in light of the present context.

Poodle
11-20-2008, 08:13 PM
You are the smart one -- a chance to use the Meta Model and you saw it. I did some. Can you come up with more?

MaC

Soren K (existing)
11-21-2008, 02:55 AM
You are the smart one -- a chance to use the Meta Model and you saw it. I did some. Can you come up with more?

MaC

Well, if I were to ask Length - although I don't really want to become involved in his spite game - I'd probably ask him (first of all):

'what about your guessing gives you the confidence to make the suggestion that many people here took their NLP certs from ebay?'

That should access some interesting information for a start.

JC

Terry
11-21-2008, 08:14 AM
I am curious as to why any of you are still communicating with either of those two spam and scam artists? I put them on ignore after a couple of posts showed me what they are..I wouldn't be surprised if both are not one and the same person. Sick minds split easily, and the best way to deal with that is to ignore and show your contempt..
Want an example of what we might have become without intervention? Visit Craigs list and read a few of the posts in various catagories. It's amazing how often they are disrupted by idiots who hate everybody because they feel inferior, and want to drag everyone else down to their level of competence.

Poodle
11-21-2008, 09:51 AM
he is on my "ignore" but I saw a chance for Soren K. to do a little practicing of the Meta Model he is learning from what Don wrote back. The Meta Model was designed to get down to the very last brass tack therefore Soren K. could have had a lot of fun with someone finding out about that negative and limiting belief...just fodder for my cousin to play with.

Pood :eek:

Soren K (existing)
11-24-2008, 05:51 AM
Hey, when you shine light on the eye, the pupil contracts (???) :)

Surprising when people reglect to realise that it is not so clear that no-one can unearth where they're coming from -especially here! A story can be fabricated of course, like a snowball begins rolling - but for such trivial matters who would make the effort? Then of course there is telling a lie... and believing it. All very possible. But down there in the beginning, there was something which compelled, somehow which represented, and some notion it was a good idea. I wonder how far realising these aspects will contribute to change. Tendency to ignore for some seeming value, may obscure the light and contract the pupil, but then an identity is not such a bad thing now, is it?

The milton model and the meta model can be studied hand in hand very complimentarily. ;)

Soren

Connie
11-24-2008, 08:03 AM
One of my pet peeves: misuse of "complimentary" vs. "complementary."

:) :)

Complementary---goes together well.
Complimentary---my, your dress looks lovely today!

Poodle
11-24-2008, 09:21 AM
The Milton and the Meta are the "same things". The Milton is in inverse of the Meta. Does that make them a lot easier? :)

Terry
11-24-2008, 09:28 AM
One of my pet peeves: misuse of "complimentary" vs. "complementary."

:) :)

Complementary---goes together well.
Complimentary---my, your dress looks lovely today!
Guilty as charged.:D Never was the best when it came to spelling, but never had a problem making myself understood, since most would ignore the mild error and read according to context of the sentence...:)

Connie
11-24-2008, 01:06 PM
since most would ignore the mild error and read according to context of the sentence...:)

Probably! :) I'm not "most" I guess. :) I have a bugaboo about words. I want them to be right. Especially when I use them.

I'm listening to a British hypnotist, some audio training materials, and I'm constantly wondering whether or not he's making mistakes or it's just a British way of pronouncing words. :D Ooops. For example, the word "contribute" as a verb. Con-TRIB-ute. He says "CON-tribute." Bugs me every time.

Terry
11-24-2008, 01:48 PM
Probably! :) I'm not "most" I guess. :) I have a bugaboo about words. I want them to be right. Especially when I use them.

I'm listening to a British hypnotist, some audio training materials, and I'm constantly wondering whether or not he's making mistakes or it's just a British way of pronouncing words. :D Ooops. For example, the word "contribute" as a verb. Con-TRIB-ute. He says "CON-tribute." Bugs me every time. Yes his pronunciation is commonly used in the UK and therefor understood by his local clients. I use both and of course spell both ways also since I spent the first twenty eight years of my life, and got my education in the UK, and now have spent more than fifty years in Canada where we are influenced greatly by the US but also have many UK expats who continue to spell and pronounce as they were taught. Makes us a little strange I suppose having such a split personality...:D

Connie
11-24-2008, 02:10 PM
Yes his pronunciation is commonly used in the UK and therefor understood by his local clients. I use both and of course spell both ways also since I spent the first twenty eight years of my life, and got my education in the UK, and now have spent more than fifty years in Canada where we are influenced greatly by the US but also have many UK expats who continue to spell and pronounce as they were taught. Makes us a little strange I suppose having such a split personality...:D

Thanks! I knew it. He's an extremely well-educated man and not likely to make any kind of mistakes with words. I love it when he talks about "tronce" and how this or that will "enhonce" my learning.

Poodle
11-24-2008, 05:06 PM
Accents are kewl. I have a neighbor who is not very well educated and she wishes people would speak "American". That gets to be a really interesting concept with Eastern, Southern, Western & Central, Canadian and Spanish from Mexico. My head just spins and if that Brit is good at his craft you will soon forget about tronces and head straight into trance.

Can you quite imagine how Richard and John sound to the good people in London? Two guys from Joisey. LOL!! Pood :D

Terry
11-24-2008, 07:24 PM
Amazingly, most people exposed to an accent will be charmed into trance faster. Perhaps the secret of my early success in this field, since I have an accent. One which does NOT prevent understanding I might point out, since that would indeed be a negative.
I am careful to say Trance instead of Trarnce, but it would make no difference to my success, might even increase it, but I rather disdain the toffee noses who pronounce with total disregard to spelling, while the examples offered were choosing between when to split the word, not how to pronounce it as spelled... On the other hand, I will spell neighbour instead of neighbor because my education tells me that this is how it should be spelled and I pronounce it just as you do because both spellings allow for proper pronounciation.... (that is pronunciation as pronounced)..:D

Terry
11-24-2008, 07:26 PM
Incidentally, the worst thing you can do is dwell on such minor differences at the cost of having the client understand what changes you wish to impose in their minds.

Connie
11-24-2008, 07:49 PM
if that Brit is good at his craft you will soon forget about tronces and head straight into trance. :D

You got it! That's exactly what happens. I love him. :)

Soren K (existing)
11-25-2008, 03:23 AM
One of my pet peeves: misuse of "complimentary" vs. "complementary."

:) :)

Complementary---goes together well.
Complimentary---my, your dress looks lovely today!


Well, they go together like up and down, as they say to one another - what wonderful things you do with a surface structure ;P

I wonder if there is really such a thing as misuse of language... :confused:

Poodle
12-07-2008, 12:55 PM
it depends upon what one wishes to do with it.

MaC :eek:

Soren K (existing)
12-10-2008, 08:42 AM
How ya doing MaC I been thinking about you today.

JoC

:)