lucid dreaming

[Unregistered1111223]

hi

so if i go to a professional hypnotist (or hypnotherapist) and ask him to help me lucid dream, it can be done, right? im assuming it isnt that complicated? would it take more than 1 session? i mean will i leave there with the ability to be able to finally lucid dream?

[Unregistered12345678]

hi

so if i go to a professional hypnotist (or hypnotherapist) and ask him to help me lucid dream, it can be done, right? im assuming it isnt that complicated? would it take more than 1 session? i mean will i leave there with the ability to be able to finally lucid dream?

[Merlin]

> it can be done, right?

It's *possible*
*if* the hypnotist knows how to work in this area.

>im assuming it isnt that complicated?

Maybe yes, maybe no.

>would it take more than 1 session?

Possibly many sessions.

> i mean will i leave there with the ability to be able to finally lucid dream?

Maybe yes, maybe no.

[Unregistered9181891987]

ah ok. thankyou. i guess i will ask him before making the appointment

[parsa]

I hope you find someone to help you.

Just wanted to say that there are simple practicing methods to do this too.
My guess is that hypnosis would be a lot faster and easier but just in case...

[designedmind]

I have a friend who dreamed lucidly every night for 9 months or so and then one day *click* he couldnt sleep any more.

we don't really know the point of dreams, and while many people have experimented with lucid dreaming with no perceptable negative affect, i'm still shaking my rattle at this one

[Master_debator]

"hi

so if i go to a professional hypnotist (or hypnotherapist) and ask him to help me lucid dream, it can be done, right? im assuming it isnt that complicated? would it take more than 1 session? i mean will i leave there with the ability to be able to finally lucid dream?"

Tell ya what, if you have a watch. . .set an alarm that goes off, lets say, every hour on the hour. . .and when it goes off just ask yourself, "Am I dreaming?". . .then you can say to yourself. . .wait. . .no I'm not dreaming. . .If I was dreaming I could. . .

gd luck

[Unregistered12345678]

actually we do know the purpose of dreams. but i wont get into that. if your friend cant sleep anymore then hed better get help because he could become very ill. thanks for replying, but what does not being able to sleep have to do anything with my question?

thanks for the advice master debator. ill give it a shot

[Unregistered9181891987]

yes precisely. ive tried many methods for a long time even with my strong will to succeed i just cant do it!! its quite aggravating, thats why im going for the easy way: hypnosis!

[skip]

Pre program yourself that you will dream and realize that you are dreaming without exiting the dream. Try to see your feet or your hands in the dream. If you can succeed at this you can usually take over the dream.

From there ANYTHING is possible.

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[rodimus]

I think, everytime we enter our imagination and associate with it fully (as if we are really in that world/reality), and we are still aware that we can control everything in it, we are already lucid dreaming.

It helps to be in a drowsy state

[j0hnny#]

yes precisely. ive tried many methods for a long time even with my strong will to succeed i just cant do it!! its quite aggravating, thats why im going for the easy way: hypnosis!

I have managed lucid dreaming twice (or maybe 3 times).... each time, on becoming aware that I was dreaming I thought excellent! Now what will I do.... I can do anything now.... and woke up - sh1t!!!! Both times I can remember I was having an tremendous dream, in one of them I was flying when I realised... then when I realised I was awake in my dream and I was so chuffed and excited at what I might do that I fell out of the sky and the dreamscape was replaced by opening my eyes and lying in my bed. I read somewhere else that attempting control of dream life is impossible - why would this be? Ordinary consciousness in a different external world .... <scratches chin>. Which reminds me of another lucid dream I had after these two disappointing ones. I realised I was lucid and that was that, I didn't attempt anything, everything just melted into the next thing and very soon I was a million miles away, forgetfull that I was dreaming. I used to keep dream diaries, until I became so adept at remembering it would take an hour or more to remember and write out the details. (This meant little time for analysing the dream - life is busy.... and an hour before I get out of bed! ....will never do in the UK :)). It is AMAZING the amount of content in even a very short dream. Everything moves very fast and if you really follow the detail it can take longer to recount the experience than to have it, but then this is probably true in general of any experience if you think about it. However, things really do move fast in a dream, jumping in and out of contexts with connections that couldn't happen in waking life - so something to look out for..... if you can put your attention on one thing in your dream and notice the switch in context around it you will be able to notice you are dreaming. As for effort, I never had a lucid dream as a result of effort. They happen when they happen (it seems (to me)). I think there would be little opportunity for this though, unless you get familiar with the dreams you do have (write them out) and unless you pay some attention to the fluctuations of mind in waking consciousness (watch your thoughts), which is pretty much as remembering a dream is..... Are you dreaming, now? Do you regualrly ask whether you are dreaming? Do you regularly pay attention to your dreams? Do you regularly pay attention to the movement of your mind whilst you're awake, trace its routes?, find the origin of your day dreams (happening all the time)? I think you need to get intimate with where it happens (what does the dreaming) if you want to get to know it, as you do. Might be an idea, if you haven't already tried that approach, to do that.

[betlamed]

Hehehehe, Johnny, yay for dream diaries! It's great to be able to remember those dreams, but I also made the experience that analyzing them is a totally different story. I have the feeling that trancing makes me more capable of intuitively knowing what my dreams are about, but I really gave up on analysis in this realm.

I actually never understood that lucid dreaming hype. I'm sooo happy there's a time at night when I'm getting told tons of great stories and I don't have to make them up myself!! :-)

Oh, and on a more serious note: I had a friend with a lot of lucid dreams. The downside was that after a time, she wasn't too sure whether she was awake or not.

But apart from that, yes I can imagine that self-hypnosis can help you to go lucid. As others have said, program yourself before you go to sleep, and get in the habit of doing reality-checks (look in the mirror to see if you're still there, take a look at the watch to check whether time is "real", etc.)

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[Cleo]

I had a dream last night that a hypnotist was giving a seminar, (I’m a novice hypnotherapist) anyhow I tell my (volunteers) to imagine they are floating on a cloud etc to deepen the trance. Well in the dream the person giving the lesson told me to just jump off the cloud! To make sure my hands let go……………..so I did. It was so wonderful. I sang “freefalling “ as I floated through the air. It was the most incredible experience! And for some strange reason it made me feel like a “real” hypnotherapist? I felt so free and so confident, that everything was just perfect.

The reality is quite different as I am still working on volunteers however I feel as long as I’m practicing it’s a good thing.

[RussWilde]

I used to have a nightmare, it's a bit "hollywood" nowadays what with corny-teen-slasher-movies showing people jerking upright in bed shouting and then saying "oh tank goodness it was all a dream...".

Well, My dream was that I would wake up. I would dream I was waking up in my bed, in my bedroom, in my house. I would start my daily routine of tooth-brushing, showering dressing etc. Then something would go 'wrong' something unusual or impossible would happen and I would realise I was dreaming. Then, because I realised I was dreaming, I would wake up. Except I would actually dream I was waking up and the process would begin again, Everytime I realised I was still asleep, the dream would begin again.

This went on for a few months, after every night I would be very suspicious of everything for the first few hours, waiting for something to be 'wrong'. Eventually I settled into the day, but these dreams were really, really draining. Every morning I would feel like I was doing everything for the twentieth time or so and unsure as to whether this was the real 'real-world' or just another illusion.

Eventually, I created a system by which I could properly record and prove whether I was awake or dreaming. Simply by adding two more functions to my daily routines, Every night I would take off my wrist-watch - My watch is rather heavy and loose-fitting so it jangles around my wrist in a very obvious manner - Every morning I would put it on. If I ever woke up in a dream, I would think that I put on my watch, but - because it was a dream - I wouldn't actually be able to feel or hear it - this way I can jangle my watch on my wrist and know I'm really here.

I still dream about waking up, sometimes I dream about going to bed as well nowadays. I don't know how relative this is to the conversation other than, whike you are sleeping, you can subconciuosly tell the difference betwen illusions of the mind and reality. If you've ever snuck into the room of a sleeping person and flicked water drops onto their face and then have them report that they dreamt it was raining, You'll know what I mean. If you want to lucid dream, create yourself a stron association with being awake with something commonly with you in bed. A bracelet, necklace or anything you can feel or hear while you sleep. Then you just need to train yourself to check for this while you're dreaming. Another interesting task which hypnosis could help with.

I believe there used to be a product you could buy which fitted over the eyes like a mask and monitored your eye-movemements during the night, once you reached the appropriate level of REM for dreaming, the mask would vibrate on your face, feeling this you would try to switch it off or remocve it. Once you realise you cannot - the dreaming-state is accompanied by an almost complete full-body catalepsy (is that the right word? You can barely move to avoid damaging yourself while "running in your sleep" etc.) - , you know you are dreaming. Presumeably then you can focus your attention on the relevant dreams you would like.

I think Lucid dreaming offers many interesting entertainments, although hardly as many as the real world. I worry that people who principally think in terms of what they would like to avoid, would end-up creating nightmares, since the subconcious - while dreaming - will realize any thoughts as they occur. With no "error-checking".

Anyway, I've written far too much, as usual, time for bed.
G'Night folks :)

[Nemica]

im 17 and i have had some lucid dreams....try to catch normal errors in the dream.but usually when your dreaming you dont' really care what happends. If u see somethign happen, just stop ,look down, say that can't happen that isn't real, this must be a dream. Then look up and then use ur hands to control things. Also if u want something to appear, i usually just look at the stop, tell myself its over there, look away, look back and its there. And when you relize its a dream, your body tries to wake up. One way i used to prevent from wakeing up is to start spinning around in the dream. IT acutally works for me. Because one I cought an mistake in the dream and i knew it was a dream. But then everything began to fade+blurr and i started wakeing up. So I just spinned around and it fixed everythng.

[teadaze]

>im 17 and i have had some lucid dreams....try to catch normal errors in the dream.but usually when your dreaming you dont' really care what happends. If u see somethign happen, just stop ,look down, say that can't happen that isn't real, this must be a dream.

That doesn't seem to work for everyone unfortunately. If you think about any dream, there are so many things that 'cant happen' but you just accept them. Just think about the scenery of a dream...its so unstable.

When I was fully motivated to have LDs i would put a spot of ink on each hand - every time I saw the ink during the day, I would ask myself 'am I dreaming' and I try to imagine what it would be like if I was dreaming. This made me look at my hands in a dream and ask 'am i dreaming?'.

Its one of the biggest kicks to know that you have ultimate freedom in a construct that you can potentially control. The first few times, I would become lucid and then wake up straight away (thats the most horrible feeling ever!)

>So I just spinned around and it fixed everythng.

ive heard of this method a few times but for me it doesn't work that well. Looking at lots of different things at once is the best way for me to hold onto the dream. Spinning helps me change the scenery.

I thought it was fairly easy to change to course of a dream with hypnosis...what techniques would someone use to bring on a lucid dream through hypnosis?

[beachrose]

Whenever I lucid dream (discover I am dreaming / by accident), I take the opportunity to levitate and fly. I am usually / but not always/ over familiar territory, whether past or present.

Once when I discovered I was dreaming, I decided to test it by putting my hand in a dramatic-looking column of metal gears. (The setting was akin to a theatrical set of a steamship's engine.) As I held my hand ready to poke into the gizmo, I chickened out 'just in case.'

Then I realized I could conjure anyone I wanted to appear. I conjured an old boyfriend. Suddenly I heard his footfalls approaching on the metal floor, out of sight around a corner. But just as he was rounding the doorway, I awoke.

I also had lucid dreams with my dad, shortly after he died. We had soem very productive, connected conversations, some telepathic. I helped him resolve some confusion about his state, sometimes I surprised him in the midst of his own time travel; and later he showed me around.

I should point out that I am a fairly skeptical person, and generally kick the tires of scientific, psychologic, or paranormal theory.

I have not tried much to lucid drem on purpose - but maybe I will!

take care :)

[beachbum]

I've had several lucid dreams in my life...can't really make them happen though...

there are specific techniques to make them happen (there is actually an entire "branch" of yoga dealing specifically in lucid dreaming!)

Never really had "control" of them honestly..once I "wake up" in my dream....I get so exited I actually wake up!

I really believe in them (had them) though, and would encourage you to try yourself...just google "lucid dreaming" or buy a book or two from amazon.com....
no sense paying a huge therapy bill...

[Dizzy]

Well from what I have gathered from some information on dreaming, it seems that it is simply to distract the conscious mind so the subconscious can work within. It is almost exactly like hypnosis, but the subconscious brings it on. To lucid dream you detach the halucenation from the subconscious control, and give it to the conscious. This often leaves the consicous working fully at a time when the subconscious doesn't want it to. This usually causes you to wake up. The problem is finding a way to train your mind to work within the halucenation, not try to work as it would have to in the real world. I am not too sure how you can do this, however possibly someone else can.