Which course?

[gaz c]

Evening everyone, Im looking at doing my first course in therapy within the next two months. I've heard pro's and con's for NLP and Hypno-analysis. could some of the experienced therapists out there explain there point of view. It will be greatly appreciated
Thanks Gary

[Connie]

"Cons" for studying NLP??

I sure don't know of any. :)

[Poodle]

If NLP were to just be a couple of days training in a hypnosis class, then yes, big cons. NLP is faster than traditional hypnosis and works excellently on a variety of issues. Can you find a school like Dr. Matt has here that is HEAVY into NLP. They are both standalone "therapies". The more tools in that toolbox the better you will be. NLP also teaches The Milton Model which is also known as Conversational Hypnosis and Ericksonian Hypnosis.

I know. There are even places on the net where NLP is called a "cult". It definitely is NOT.

This forum is staffed by a number of NLP Trainers from varying sources so we do know of which we speak.

For me, it's impossible to imagine hypnotherapy without NLP. They go together like love and a good marriage.

Be well,
Pood

[Jack]

Hello Gary,

As an hypnotherapist for over 30 years, I have never found any emotional problem that cannot be solved by hypnotherapy alone. However, since I am also qualified as an NLP practitioner I have to say that NLP has, as Pood says, the advantage of speed, for some issues.

In my own practice I use both, seamlessly blending techniques when the occasion and the client demands.

My advice would be to do your hypno course first and then add on NLP at a later date. I say this because I know of a number of excellent NLP'ers whom I would not allow near to my clients, since they appear to have a massive understanding of technique but little understanding of actual human beings.

If you intend to study in the UK, then might I suggest that you choose a course approved by an organisation representing hypnotherapy/NLP which has stringent entry requirements plus supervision and CPD, and not just the ability to pay the membership fee as the criterion.

Good luck!

Jack

[Connie]

I know of a number of excellent NLP'ers whom I would not allow near to my clients, since they appear to have a massive understanding of technique but little understanding of actual human beings.

That lack of understanding is not limited to NLP'ers. I've met many "hypntherapists" (anyone can use that title, at least some NLP is licensed through the originators of the work) who make ME cringe. Nitwits abound in every profession.

[gaz c]

Thankyou for those post's and Its going to be the nlp for me, the reason why I'm un-decisive is because the Hypno course I did at the beginning of the year was great and really enjoyed it where the father and son both teach and is a well recommended course which I'd be more than happy to be taught from and whereas the Pure Analysis course is concerned is because I know the guy well that runs and is the founder of the entire company.I've taken all your views on board and together with what I have and am still reading I've made my mind up! thanks again Gaz

[Poodle]

Check out the money differential. Sometimes it can be much cheaper to learn NLP in the USA or certain instructors have been known to go to England and charge USA prices one of whom was one of my trainers.

Check out NLPConnections.com It's a gathering place in the UK for Trainers from all around the world and many people with just basic questions. In Oct. there is an Evening With Richard Bandler in London but I don't know if there are any tickets left. I'm sure you will find exactly what is appealing to you.

Enjoy!!
Pood

[Jack]

That lack of understanding is not limited to NLP'ers. I've met many "hypntherapists" (anyone can use that title, at least some NLP is licensed through the originators of the work) who make ME cringe. Nitwits abound in every profession.

What I said was not an attack upon NLP practitioners, Connie, since Iam one. But I have met so many apparently fully qualified NLP'ers who have no idea at all about clients, but are very good at running through techniques. Yes, anyone can use the title 'hypnotherapist' as anyone can use the title 'NLP Practitioner' or 'Plumber' but 'by their organisations shall ye know them'.

Hypnotherapy also has its fair share of fools and charlatans, I agree, but mostly they are recognisable as such and not hiding behind jargon and an obsessive belief that Bandler is God.;)

Jack

[Jack]

Ah well, Gaz, you omitted to mention that you had already done a course in hypnotherapy. I don't quite understand your post because you say that it is NLP for you, but in the rest of your post you are apparently going to do hypnoanalysis.

Might I suggest that before you do either you organise your sentences a little better? Stream of consciousness is ok for 'Finnegan's Wake' but may hinder your progress in NLP;)

Jack
Thankyou for those post's and Its going to be the nlp for me, the reason why I'm un-decisive is because the Hypno course I did at the beginning of the year was great and really enjoyed it where the father and son both teach and is a well recommended course which I'd be more than happy to be taught from and whereas the Pure Analysis course is concerned is because I know the guy well that runs and is the founder of the entire company.I've taken all your views on board and together with what I have and am still reading I've made my mind up! thanks again Gaz

[Connie]

...hiding behind jargon and an obsessive belief that Bandler is God.;)

Isn't he??? :) :) :)

[Docresults]

Isn't he??? :) :) :)


What Bandler ISN"T God. Wow that's a new on me.

[Connie]

Hi, Doc! How've you been? x o

[Terry]

YOu mean you didn;t know? Even "I" am not God though we are in partnership, and talk daily to ensure I get my orders straight....:D

[gaz c]

Jack I did'nt say I'd done a therapy course, It was a Hypnosis course and also I have'nt said Im doing the analysis course either in my previous post. I was saying how it was awkward what course to choose as I know two people that do the two types of therapy and obviously they are both recommending me their own course which was why I just wanted some experienced advice on the two! thanks anyhow ;) and thanks to everyone else

[Jack]

My mistake - God has been in touch and He says that Bandler is God.
Which really amounts to Bandler saying he is God. However, I don't believe anyone who says he is God without extensive proof in the form of omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence, none of which applies, so therefore Bandler is not God.

Or it could be that Lucifer is behind all this.;)

Jack

[Poodle]

I totally understand your statement regarding NLP. In a recent radio program that Richard was on a lady called in that was a Master Prac. but had absolutely no idea how to "fix' her own problem. It was a classic Prac. problem that anyone should know how to do. I think it took Richard maybe 2 minutes and 4 questions to straighten her out.

She did NOT study at APU.
She did NOT study with anyone licensed by The Society of NLP
She did NOT study with Dr. Matt's father
She did NOT study with Carmine or anyone that had studied with Carmine

Bandler is GOD in his own mind and in the minds of many of us that have studied with him. LOL!! :D To other people, John Grinder is close to GOD.

[Merlin]

No, no, no!
Bandler advises God

[Jack]

Perhaps Bandler advises God that he (RB) is God, and God being God says I thought I was God, and Bandler replies see what thinking does for you? You have your transderivational search all wrong which make you less than infallible therefore you are not God so somebody else must be and since people keep telling me it must be me then I suppose it must be me but how come I didn't know that already being omniscient or did I, but if I did then why am I bothering to advise God when He isn't anyone important or even qualified?

Then John Grinder says, hang on a minute what about me I could have been God if I had had better marketing, a reputation for unusual behaviour and an expertise in extracting the submodalities of sundry blocks of salt...then Erickson turns over in his grave and says Whoa you guys, forgetting me? If Bandler is God then I am the Father of God and therefore a bigger god than both of you, albeit slightly deceased...

And thus was born the real trinity - the Father, The Son and the Holy Grinder, all of whom are (or were) hugely instrumental in changing the face of hypnotherapy, none of whom are God, but may be gods to some - for which delusion NLP can be marvellously efficacious. :)

Jack

[Henrik]

Jack.

First off, I think your humor is excellent, I've told you so before I believe. You have a way of expressing yourself clearly, completely and humorously that I like a lot. I'm pretty sure others around here do so as well.

Well, this isn't meant to be an all hail and praise the all-mighty Jack message, after all you are not God (are you??), but I think what you say, or what I think you say, is important.

My opinion is that it's a good thing to believe that others (Bandler, Grinder et cetera) are good and worth listening to and learning from. But if one thinks too highly of them in terms of their skill level, elevating them to superior status and Semi-Gods (knowingly or unknowingly), it's time for a lunch break, a chocolate, an hour at the gym or perhaps a mild slap in the face. I think the same is true if one always awaits the next workshop, the next book or "the next thing".

A couple of weeks ago I went to see a man I've wanted to meet for a year. I spent 4 days with him, he teaching me his "stuff". We also talked a bit about reading books, attending workshops and teachers/trainers. We both agreed that the hardest thing you can do is to think for yourself, but it is also pivotal. Shock! :rolleyes:

When we spend a lot of time and money investing in books, workshops and specific trainers, it is worth noticing if we continue to stay alert, inquisitive and critical about what we learn. If not "they" can end up being more of a crutch and perhaps block out our own wisdom and creativity and/or exclude alternative information that questions and challenges our current understanding, hindering progress.

It could be worth thinking about from time to time. Or not.

Henrik

[Connie]

... it is worth noticing if we continue to stay alert, inquisitive and critical about what we learn. If not "they" can end up being more of a crutch and perhaps block out our own wisdom and creativity and/or exclude alternative information that questions and challenges our current understanding, hindering progress.

Henrik, this comment of yours is so synchronous! I was thinking basically the same thing this morning. Truly! It's an important thing to remember.

I'm enjoying a new teacher (which I've commented about here at some length), whose approach is to teach process, logically, methodically, step by step by step by step in a way that offers security and comfort to those starting out...but we need to go beyond that. The "art" of hypnosis. The trusting yourself part, the letting go and being creative. I like my new teacher, a lot, and I'm learning much from him. But I would never copy him (which he is encouraging), or plan on doing it "his way" only, which I think a lot of his students slavishly do. I get an image of military marchers, in lock step. That's not me. That will never be me.

[Poodle]

Also the reason we do not teach a bunch of techniques which can quickly become outdated. Give them the nuts and bolts and Master Practitioners SHOULD be able to come up with their own techniques. This is per God, I mean Bandler or the person that advises God or........

Nice post and I greatly enjoy Jack's humor too. He sent me a classic one in a PM. ROFL!!

Pood

[Jack]

Thank you for your excellent opinion of me which I would share if I didn't know me. :)

You raise an important point - apart from the one about me being God, no I'm not, or maybe I am, really? Do you think I might be? Is it possible? My dog tell me not (except when in possession of a stick, he says) in quite a stern voice so I am disabused of that notion forever - anyway back to the important point, which is that training can sometimes be an end in itself.

At some juncture we have to do, and becoming a training junkie can mitigate against doing in favour of staring at the horizon for the next great truth to come galloping over it. Perfectly ok if one is on a personal odyssey, but perhaps not quite as useful if one is trying to help others or as you coherently say, think for oneself. But I don't mind being disagreed with, unlike a certain Deity I could mention.

And yes, I do talk to my dog.

Jack

[gaz c]

Well I've now got my first wk's NLP course booked starting in Jan 09, really looking forward to it I will let you know how it goes thanks ;)

[Don]

Fantastic! Have fun and enjoy!

[Poodle]

you are in for some F U N!!!!!

Please keep us advised.

Pood :D