Selfhypnosis for a totally analytical preson

[rpglover64]

I am analytical, a math person, not very visual, etc. Simply put, I'm not an ideal subject for hypnosis. However, I would love to find a way to self-induce a hypnotic trance and use it to my advantage. For some reason, any tape I make turns out horrible, so if anyone could give me advice on this issue, it'd be greatly appreciated.

[Merlin]

Start with a reframe.
Analytical types are marvelous subjects!

[Pdrive]

I realise that its not always an option for everyone, but the best way to learn self-hypnosis is to have a professional hypnotist induce a trance state, then anchor it so you can fire it off whenever you please.

Unfortunately it'll cost you.



Pdrive

[betlamed]

An analytical pre-son! What a marvelous freudian slip! :-)

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[skip]

Analyticals are among the best hypnotic subjects, because they have the intelligence and temperment, to follow a train of thought. They do not do well, however with pre scripted indiction techniques, because they follow their own train of thought, and the hypnotist needs to adjust to where they are.

It could also be that you have simply been trying the wrong type of induction. Or maybe you just dont yet realize that you have been successful, because you dont know what it is supposed to feel like.

I would recommend you go to a pro, and spend the relatively small amount necessary to learn what it feels like and how to best go into trance for you. You will save tons of time and effort, and possible heartache this way.

The other is to try different induction techniques. The "Betty Erickson" is one, use google to find it. Look on this site for others, or buy a book, "Hypnotherapy Scripts" Havens and Walters, could give you some ideas for successful tapes. Recognize that with scripts your potential for success will fall along a pretty standard distribution curve, and being analytical places you at the short end of the curve for success with scripts not for hypnosis.

Thats why a real live skilled person would be best for you to get started, then after you have aquired the skill, you can go where you wish.

View this as a skill, like learning RPG. You will get better and more intuitive as you practice successfully. Do your best at the start to ensure successful practice.

skip

[rpglover64]

Thank you, Skip. I have tried the Betty Erickson induction with success before, but it seems that the state that I reach is not as deep as it could be, and many suggestions I give myself get "lost" or simply are not effective. I completely both agree and understand that hypnosis is a skill and practice as often as time allows me, but the only experience I have had with a professional hypnotist was horribly ineffective.

[rpglover64]

What exactly is a reframe; I never quite understood.

[Merlin]

A 'reframe' put simply (can I do that?) is to provide another perspective on the subject.

[skip]

You are correct Merlin, but I suspect all you accomplished was to open a loop.

Ill give two examples of theraputic reframes, and as you read them I want you to hold Merlin's definition in your mind so the reframes will stand out.

A young girl of 12 was brought to me for panic attacks. She would get short of breathm, sick to her stomach, and vomit. Now this would occurr when she was going to the movies, or shopping, so it wasnt in order to avoid doing something she didnt like. She was from a very religious family so I had a bit of insight into her probable upbringing.

She had been in therapy for two years, for this complaint, prior to coming to me.

We had a 'simple conversation'. ( When is a simple conversation not a simple conversation?) During the course of the conversation I mentioned that she was now 12, and that lots of things were changing for her. That she was developing into a woman, and that things at school were changing socially, the relationships between her and her parents was changing, lots of things. I told her that I felt sure that her parents, because they loved her, had had conversations with her about boys. And that I imagined she was pretty interested in these creatures called boys, and that she had probably imagined going out with boys, and doing things with boys. And that I was sure she and her mother had discussed things she might want to do with boys, and things she might not want to do, with boys. And I felt sure her mother had warned her about the possibility of getting into situations that she might have a hard time getting out of. So I asked her to consider how valuable it might be, to be able to have a panic attack, and throw up on someone, in that sort of situation.

One conversation, one and a half hours, and she hasnt had a panic attack since. Now we did some other things, but I am convinced that building the yes set, the truisms potentiating change, coupled with the reframe, and the implication that it was something that could be both valuable, and under her control, was what let her accomplish what she wanted.


My sister is a writer. She was researching a book in a small town in Colorado, and was somewhat discouraged. She went into a curio shop and was looking around and picked up a atrifact that is an indian symbol for "trickster spirit". This memory is now vivid in her mind, although it went almost unnoticed at the time. Anyway she was thinking, "I need a change." as she was shopping around in the store and picked up the symbol.

She came home to Tennessee, and was bitten by a brown recluse spider. This spider has a particularly damaging bite, and she suffered for over a year with the bite unhealed and the medical remedies almost as bad as the bite itsself.

I had recently learned about Reiki and suggested that she go with me to a Reiki session, with the understanding that while it might not help, it certainly couldnt hurt. During the session she had some interesting "knocks" on her belief systems and that night she says she had the first pain free night in over a year.

This began in her a line of research which has resulted in a book that will soon be out, which is a damn good one. During the course of that research, she encountered a native american shaman, who worked with her. He said, "Woman when you ask a trickster for change, you better be prepared for what you are going to get. Did you know that in native american culture, spider gave us the alphabet, in her web. She is responsible for all writing. I'd say you might want to be attentive to what spider has in store for you."

Now odds are neither one of these seems very profound for you. The point is that each was very profound for the individual involved. In one case it was a deliberate intentional reframe. In the other I am sure the reframe was intentional, but with no conscious knoweledge of what reframing is or does.

My sister didnt have a clue about what he had done, until I heard her recount the story of what he said, and I remarked, "Your friend did an excellent job of reframing the bite."

My sister said, "What's a reframe?"

I replied, "Thats where you transform the meaning of something for someone. Once you do a drefame on something, they cannot go back to the old feelings about it. It is impossible."

Something that powerful is just incredible.

Most of the times a theraputic reframe involves taking what was the problem and turning it into an asset in some other context. They can never percieve the problem as something they just want to get rid of again. It changes the entire perspective, the whole landscape shifts for them.

It is really cool to watch someone accept a theraputic reframe and observe them inteigrating it. You can literally see mental dominoes falling into place.

When that happens, for someone, I just know I have the greatest job in the world.

cheers,

skip

[rpglover64]

How about stage hypnosis on an analytical person? I know its possible, but its trickier than on a (non analytical?) person. What would one do in this situation? Would a reframe work? How would it be formulated?

[Merlin]

>How about stage hypnosis on an analytical person? I know its possible, but its trickier than on a (non analytical?) person.

Since I often use "stage hypnosi" methodologies, no difference.

[Merlin]

>but I suspect all you accomplished was to open a loop.


for you, or the other readers here?
Guess that's what I get for simplicity :)

[rodimus]

has anyone tried the Silva Method where you count from 100 to 1 and suggesting you go deeper. However, when a person self-hypnotises himself, is he more able to remember his script and what to visualize than the waking state?

I used to do the countdown method many years ago, and it required quite a lots of focus and will power to maintain the focus, less your thoughts start to wander, or go to sleep.

What is still the best way?

[DrTadJames]

As I said on another post, I love the type of hypnosis that Dave Elman used to do for when I do self hypnosis, because when you do it, it is as if you drop off a cliff. There are only a couple of places that you can find a script for it, one is in Dave's book from 1960's still in print, and Hypnosis, A Comprehensive Guide. Have fun.:)

Tad James

[JonZ]

Hi!

I'm interested in learning self-hypnosis. I would like to use it to help in concentration and the rapid assimilimation of information in a finance setting. Also, I'm very interested in using it to more rapidly facilitate non-native language learning and retention.

I'm new to hypnosis and I'm looking for the best way to get a quick jump on learning self-hypnosis. In my case, would the best solution be to consult with a professional and get pre-conditioned for a deep somnambulistic state? I'm assuming that I can be conditioned so that I can go into this state through some quick cue. If this is the best solution, then how do I go about finding a reputable and highly skilled professional in my area?

Thanks for your help!

[Don]

Hi, Jon.

I would respectfully suggest that you would not need to learn about achieving a "deep somnambulistic state" at all for you to achieve your goal of self-hypnosis for "concentration and the rapid assimilation of information in a finance setting." Rather, you would need to learn something called "waking hypnosis."

In a few seconds you could induce a WH state and achieve this particular goal.

Good luck!

[JonZ]

Hi Don!

Thanks for the information. Someone suggested that I contact the local Milton H. Erickson Institute. Would this be the best way to find a reputable professional to learn "waking hypnosis"?

Thanks for your help!

[skip]

Jon,

Try here for more info on waking hypnosis:

http://www.nfnlp.com/nlptoday_ezine/Ezine_June2001_Wakinghypnosis.htm

And here for a possible group near you:

http://www.sleepwalkers.us/

skip

[JonZ]

Hi Skip!

Thanks for the information. It was very helpful.

[RussWilde]

You probably shouldn't read this, it's hardly in the spirit of things. In fact, don't read it. You're not going to like it very much.

If you want to assimilate large amounts of information quickly and retain it permanently, including the learning of non-native languages in spoken or written form, you might consider this book:
"Master Your Memory" by Tony Buzan
ISBN:
Published by BBC Books.

Tony Buzan teaches his method known as the "Self Enhancing Master Memory Matrix--SEM³". Which is geared to increase your memory capacity practically infinitely with perfect recall... forever. It also includes about 1000 things to remember - just to start you off with - including several languages such as: French, Spanish, Chinese, Russian, Japanese etc.

Mnemonics is a good way to learn. It's also a fun party-trick:
Invite some folks to compose a list of 30-100 random items, words, numbers, names etc. and then rapidly commit them to memory (I usually do this while they're making the list up). For the rest of the evening, you can offer to recall any item and it's position in the numbered list or the whole list in any order. I like to get people to call out numbers and I call back the items, followed by the entire list backwards, but I am a bit of a show-off as my introductory note demonstrates.

end of contribution.

RW

[RussWilde]

Sorry, I meant to include the ISBN:
0-563-48700-3

Enjoy.

[Youaregettingsleepy]

Dr. James


I own Dave Elman's book, hypnotherapy. I cannot find the section dedicated to Self-Hypnosis. Where can I find it?

Thanks!

[JonZ]

Hi Russ!

Thanks for the information! I'll try to find the book at the library this weekend.