View Full Version : Is there an unbiased site on NLP?
most websites i found give me sales pitches on the benefits of NLP. What i would like to know is the disadvantages as well as the advantages of using NLP and if there was a website that did just that
Perhaps there are not enough disadvantages to make-up an interesting website ?
It is not medicine, you can't overdose, it is not illegal, you can take all you want. The more you get, the better you feel. A competent pratitioner can help you have what ever you want from yourself.
Disadvantages????
Doubt you will find such a site, unless they are untrained and skeptical.
So there ya go, and I am not associated with the owners of this forum and am not trying to sell you anything.
Hope this helps,,,,
EC
not really i know that its an alternate way of thinking and doing but with everything there are diadvantages and there has to be if there wasn't then everyone would flock to the profession in droves. what i do know is that it's highly unregulated and that there is no standard for learning so someone could be "qualified" to train someone after only a few hours. but i understand your point of view and except it
Alonso
03-02-2005, 09:21 PM
go to nlpweekly.com, some really good articles there...
also, check this out: http://www.purenlp.com/artlist.htm
hope its fun! ;)
Terry (existing)
03-02-2005, 09:53 PM
An unbiased site eh? Well now tell me, why would anyone start a site on a subject they have no opinion on? We are all biased or we wouldn't be discussing the subject.
Pdrive
03-02-2005, 10:35 PM
Why has VOID started two threads on this topic?
Pdrive
03-02-2005, 10:53 PM
I just found your thrid post on the whole unbiased thing void.:mad:
What on earth is going through your head....
... when you come here, posting your question in unrelated threads, started multiple threads of your own etc?!
EC, Alonso and Terry have all given you appropriate answers, yet you have refused to accept them. Why is this?
If you've had as much experience working with media as I have, you'll soon realise that there is no such thing as an unbiased information source (see 1890ed. oxford dictionary under "negro"). It is not possible for a human to publish a non-bias text.
Youre best bet would be to check out a website devoted to skeptism. Search for NLP within the site, read the articles and then try to find some personal balance within yourself, about what you believe. This is YOUR bias. It will change from day to day, with everything you read.
JimmyGR
03-03-2005, 03:55 AM
I just found out http://www3.mistral.co.uk/bradburyac/What do you guys think?
I like the site but it damn sure is biased.
JimmyGR
03-03-2005, 03:25 PM
It has a ton of reviews, thats for sure. I just hope that this guy actually reads a book he reviews :P
Merlin
03-03-2005, 07:55 PM
>if there wasn't then everyone would flock to the profession in droves.
Not true. Many people continue to do what they're comfortable with, rather than change.
>what i do know is that it's highly unregulated
So's breathing.
You need a government regulation for you to feel good about something?
Merlin
03-03-2005, 07:56 PM
Why not read ou archives and find out?
Merlin
03-03-2005, 07:58 PM
You could respect us enough to read our past posts on Andy.
You might even read my FAQ where I list the link for book reviews.
JimmyGR
03-03-2005, 08:25 PM
You could respect us enough to read our past posts on Andy.
You might even read my FAQ where I list the link for book reviews.
I did read your FAQ but didnt notice the link there. I didnt mean to offend you.
Shlomo_NLP
03-08-2005, 01:25 AM
Ok, let me help you out -
NLP does not work and it has no advantages for you. Period.
Satisfied?
If you come across a site that lists the disadvantages of NLP, this site is also biased... think about it... someone didn't work the magic out - didn't use flexibility which is in the core of NLP, and thereafter - decided it does not work or does not perform as written.
What you're asking is like taking a child and listing all the reasons he's ugly... instead of enjoying the joy he brings to your life.
Hmmm... was I clear enough... who can run the ecology check on these posts...
:-)
Shlomo
Pdrive
03-08-2005, 04:18 PM
Nice one Shlomo,
To the original poster:
Have a look at Shlomo's site, www.nlpweekly.com (http://www.nlpweekly.com)
As far as im aware, it offers good content (under articles), without trying to sell you anything.
Pdrive
Terry (existing)
03-08-2005, 04:57 PM
Yes indeed, very nice, and not to put down the poster, but put a perspective on his post, may I add the last verse of a long poem sent to me today by my grandaughter of sixteen, of whom I am very proud, since she is an honor student, and is able to decide what is of real value in life......
With feet to take me were I'd go,
Eyes to see the sunset's glow.
Ears to hear what I would know.
Oh God forgive me when I whine,
I'm blest indeed, the world is mine.
Now go have a nice day, and remember, you have but one mouth, but two eyes, so read twice as much as you post at least, and we will judge you a wiser man...
Pdrive
03-08-2005, 08:55 PM
Which poster in particular was that directed at, Terry?
Merlin
03-08-2005, 09:20 PM
OK, sorry.
I'm just too impatient sometimes.
Any, I go to Andy for reviews :)
Merlin
03-08-2005, 09:22 PM
>I just hope that this guy actually reads a book he reviews :P
He does
I have one mouth, tis true, and two eyes, yup blue!
I post with fingers ten, what should I do?
With apologies to your grandaughter. :)
skip
Shlomo_NLP
03-22-2005, 11:36 AM
now that I re-think of it, our forum here is what the original poster is looking for... :D
Andy B.
04-23-2005, 12:03 AM
Hi there
"Honest Abe" at your service :D
FWIW, yes I have strong opinions - about the things I have an opinion about at all. (Skip and I have been "exchanging views" for seven or eight years, now, so I guess he's as much knowledge as anyone on which to base his "opinion" ;) .)
Having said that, there is a disclaimer on the page that leads into the book reviews on my site which explains that I'm not trying to give definitive assessments - only a consistent point of view. Which is the best any reviewer can hope for, at a guess.
As far as reading the books is concerned, Merlin is quite correct (thanks, Merlin), I've read ALMOST all of them from cover to cover (painful as that has been at times). In the one or two cases where I really couldn't finish a book I've said so in the review.
If it looks like a big list, please remember that I started writing reviews in 1996 or very early 1997. And I'd already read several of the books before I started writing the reviews.
As to the original question about an "unbiased" NLP site, I'm not sure what you'd put on it. Most of the negative stuff I've come across is either personal attacks on Richard Bandler, or criticisms of what some individual has done, using - or claiming to use - NLP techniques.
The other big negative topic is whether NLP techniques have been scientifically proven, or disproved. In practice this entire argument is based on the misconception - devised by a Prussian Professor named Wilhelm Wundt in the late 1800's - that psychology is a science. It isn't - because human beings are infinitely variable. So the idea that you can actually quantify the elements of NLP is a dead duck before you start.
(You can, of course, say "this technique had this effect on this specific person in these specific circumstances at this specific time." You just can't create meaningful generalizations.)
Hope this is of some use
Be well
Andy B.
Honest Abe's NLP Emporium
http://www3.mistral.co.uk/bradburyac
Simple Guy
04-23-2005, 06:20 AM
Andy,
I've been intending to send you an E-Mail to thank you for having a
great site. It's nice to see you registered here. Thank you for
providing a valuable service. :)
Andy B.
04-25-2005, 01:30 AM
Simple Guy
Thank YOU for those few kind words
Be well
Andy B.
Tranceaholic
05-04-2005, 05:36 PM
I'd just like to put my 2 cents woth in. I think it comes down to your own perspective of what is negative.
NLP is definately a 'do with' than a 'do to' modality. If you are expecting to go & see a practitioner & have them give you something akin to a magil pill that will cure your problem, then NLP can not do that, & you may find that you actually have to do something tangeable dissapointing & negative.
From my experience NLP is also unable to assist anyone who doesn't have a problem, although it has the best set of tools that I know for uncovering them.
As for bias, as all of you have already said quite elequently, we are biased in everything that we do. We take our own personal views & opinions with us wherever we go that colour our experiences & shape our reality. In fact learning NLP has allowed me to beome more unbiased & see many more perspectives than ever before.
I agree with Merlin, perhaps one of the reasons that every person on the planet isn't addicted to NLP is that they are comfortable with what they are doing & don't feel they have a need for it, or maybe they just haven't heard of it yet.
My apologies for my creative spelling........& yes I know there is an excellent NLP technique that can assist myself with that............I have actually used it very successfully with many clients ..........but it's not really important to me so hence I don't use it.
Have a great day.......