Lower my IQ temporarily?

[Dan]

Hi,

I don't mean to boast but I have too high an IQ to be hypnotized, after trying for a long, long time.

I'd like to, yknow, stare at a spiral, or hey, a stripper, or whatever, and just be entranced, like I could when I was a teenage pothead.

But it just doesn't work. My analytical brain kicks in and I stay awake. I can keep thoughts out of my head, mostly, but that's not being in a trance state for me.

Is there a safe way I can ditch the ADD, after all, I guess that's what it is, by taking a drug? Alcohol and pot don't do it.

THanks!
Dan

[Terry (existing)]

Dunno Dan, you may be too smart for us, and we can't dumb you down easily. It would take a lot of therapy to achieve this, and the cost is likely to be too high for you. Perhaps you should find a board dedicated to smart people only, I understand there IS a mensa board on the net. Of course you could mix the pot and the alcohol together, it might work......

[lookintomyeyes]

you can occupy the conscious mind with confusional techniques, and then comunicate directly with the subconscious using subliminal messages and the like

[Dan]

You know, reading these responses has lowered my IQ.

[skip]

Im confused. the higher the IQ the easier it is to go into trance.

Yet you are having a problem Dan.

From your question and your responses to comments, I would venture that IQ whatever yours is, or isnt, it isnt the problem.

Some people, who have a lot of internal dialog, have difficulty going into trance using relaxation type inductions. They just cant seem to let go.

But they do respond nicely, to other less direct types of inductions. The confuaion induction is one, indirect suggestion is another, metaphor inductions is another, nested loops work well, as well. Using these other techniques your ADD would be irrelevent.

Out of curiosity does your arrogance serve you well, in getting you what you want generally?

skip

[guest who]

Dan Hun, I'm not acting you as the others I am being gut honest, and truly trying to help. If you don't accept my attempted help thats up to you. If you have such an IQ and hypnotizing doesn't work find another method. You are bright enough to find another cure for what ever it is you are looking for. hypnotizing doesn't work for everyone, you are an example of that, so simply find some other thing to do. I'd love to hear how you are doing, feel free to p.m me.

[Merlin]

>I have too high an IQ to be hypnotized,

Nonsense!

>I'd like to, yknow, stare at a spiral, or hey, a stripper, or whatever, and just be entranced

That's got *nothing* to do with hypnosis.

>Is there a safe way I can ditch the ADD

Yes.

[solaris152000]

Your to clever to be hypnotised

Or

You Think Your To clever To be hypnotised.

If u Go into a session knowing it wont work, then it cant.

[Pdrive]

If you're so "smart" it astonishes me that you are so quick to assume you know all about hypnosis, what effects it and what doesn't.

Surely someone with a high IQ will quickly realise the folly of being a spontaneous instant expert, with little or no knowledge to back up the assumptions made.

Keep up the posting, this is better than television! ;)

[mariah]

Just keep telling yourself that, and it will automatically lower your IQ.

[skip]

Not sure that's affordable.

[mariah]

What has "too high" IQ got to do with hypnosis anywayz? My hypnosis is going just fiiine:p

[skip]

Your IQ cant be too high to be hypnotized.

In fact the higher your IQ the easier it is to be hypnotized.

Dan just never encountered a good bind before.

Too bad.

skip

[Don]

If you want to lower your IQ, just watch TV for a few hours. That will put you in a trance.

If you want to lose all concepts of reality, try watching FOX news...
:)

[Dan]

Does every post have to contain so much hostility and bile?

Yes, I have a very high IQ; I'm sure that everyone who understands what I mean by this can sympathize. If you don't, you are probably picturing some snotty nerd in a turtleneck, or whatever your image is of a man who thinks he's too smart to be helped. Sorry I pushed your buttons!

Let me clarify my original post! I don't have a problem going into concentration or learning mode; I have always been able to do that. I've learned a lot about hypnosis already, and I have a friend who's a very good hypnotist too.

What I'm trying to do is go into a somnabulistic trance, where I can choose to believe things, and generally just be swept along with the flow of conciousness...without constantly stepping back and comparing my own thoughts and dreams to reality. Everyone has to do that occasionally. For example you can watch Fox News and be swept along with it, and the media is hypnotizing you; and then you start to think, "am I believing this too much?" and start to think, well hey, this is crap and this is specious reasoning, and so on. As you get more mature and smarter, hopefully, you have more and more of a defense against being swept up in it.

My problem is, I've gotten too mature and smart -- over the years I've developed an absolute kneejerk response against anything trying to zap me that way and make me part of its system. Advertising, politics, social protocol, hey even the stupid smileys in email, the way women talk and do their makeup, computer UIs, the taste of coffee, anything at all.

This was great at first, and seemed like constant satori. I could look at almost anything and identify the parts that affected your perception. I wrote some computer board games that used hypnotic presentation techniques, and they were commercially pretty successful. I scored a hot foriegn woman. I had to deal with a roommate becoming violently schizophrenic and surprised myself by solving the problem and moving on in about three days.

The thing is this: living with a Grade-A Bull**** Detector has itself begun to trip the detector. I think I'm limiting my own emotions and experiences to things that have no hypnotic content whatsoever. I'd like to just relax!

Dan

PS. It's not that I care if someone implies that I'm a pompous know it all...it's just that in my experience, it's only people who are secretly pompous know it alls that hate you for it.

[Tudor]

Hi Dan
I think you confuse high IQ with fear of learning. To be able to not learn new things, isn’t something reserved just for the “not-so-high-IQ” it’s something all of us can learn.
Look at all the smart young kids who begins in the first grade and end up as jack-asses in the ninth grade. To be stupid is something you can learn.

The way we measure IQ and its result is not the opposite of being stupid/dumb/not-smart or whatever you would like to call it, IMHO.

I don’t think you need to lower your IQ, just increase your amount of stupidity.

And I would say that you are on the right track here by posting your question. By formulate it the way you did there were obviously a number of people here who considered it/you stupid.



Your imagination of how your question was going to be received was probably not the same as the actual outcome. And if it’s possible for you to image/dream or analyse something that is not correct compared to the perceived reality – then you didn’t use that analytic ability in your brain for a moment. You have learned a new ability.

If you practice that new ability you will end up in a strip joint in no time.

Peter

[Pdrive]

Go tudor GO! nice posting....:)

[skip]

Dan,

"PS. It's not that I care if someone implies that I'm a pompous know it all...it's just that in my experience, it's only people who are secretly pompous know it alls that hate you for it."


Nice bind. :)

And it also makes a good point, one perhaps unintended, but a good one none the less.

Whether you recognize it or not, it is still effective. Thats the nature of GOOD hypnotic patterns, and binds are one of them.

"The thing is this: living with a Grade-A Bull**** Detector has itself begun to trip the detector. I think I'm limiting my own emotions and experiences to things that have no hypnotic content whatsoever. I'd like to just relax!"

Id say you are correct in this, and would add a few things if I may.

You say you have a built in bullsxxt detector. I believe you, but you say it in a manner as if you believe no one else has one. That is IMO a mistake. And others with this bullsxxt detector can go into trance, so the detector, isnt, structurally the problem is it?

You made this same mistake about IQ. People with IQ on both sides of yours go into trance all the time.

Nor is it about weakness or strong will, thats an old wives tale.

Now Im going to talk a bit about some things you do, and they are about what you are doing, not comments about your personality, whatever it may be. And I will relate them to your ability to go into trance. So please dont get defensive about this until you have read it thru and thought about it.

Feeling like you are losing control causes you to go meta to the process. In other words you go from having a first person experience, to a second person experience. Or you stop simply doing and being, and begin to analyze the doing and being, you were doing. We often refer to this as dissociation.

And the problem is you cannot both do and be, and dissociate, simultaneously. You are either in the moment, first person experiencing, or you are dissociated and meta to the moment. Going meta to the process, tends to bring you out of trance, while simply experiencing whatever you are experiencing, tends to take you deeper.

Now please understand that I am discussing a behavior you do, and not making a qualitative evaluation about whether it is good or not. Every behavior is good in some contexts, and not so good in others.

If you will think about it, you may find as verification that you 'go meta' a lot. Maybe a lot of times when you wish you hadnt, like the hypnosis business, or making love, or some such, where you really just want to let go, but find yourself somehow always popping out of the experience to judge it.

The issue here is control. And I expect someone as smart as you will be able to identify lots of times when the control issue, got in the way of your getting what you wanted, or experiencing fully the moment.

I noticed the last time we exchanged posts that you wanted to control the exchange. You didnt like it when I refused to let you. Im not making a qualitative comment about you, merely continuing to notice the pattern. This isnt about trying to somehow be hard on you, that would be pointless, wouldnt it?

People who go meta, who have control isues, large or small, are not going to be hypnotized with the 'standard' relaxation methods. People with this 'profile' if you will, have a lot of self talk, and they are going to be carrying on a conversation, in the back ground, that your average hypnotist is completely unaware of.

There are two basic ways you can go about this, to assure that you achieve what you want.

Fortunately both are fun.

One is to consciously learn how to let go. That would include lots of massages, making love, eating scrumptious food, bubble baths, absorbing books or movies, listening to excellent music and losing it to it. Anything exquisite and/or sensual, and teach yourself gradually how to just let go, for longer and longer periods of time. Especially letting go in situations where someone else takes charge, like massages, or sensual play, or hell even leading you around blindfolded, and having fun doing it. The more you do this, the more, you will find that you can go for longer and longer times just lost in the moment, and secretly you will gain experience that the entire world doesnt fall apart while you are "gone". "Whew thats a relief!"

In this way you can train yourself to relax and enjoy the moment, and even let someone else take charge, and you can still be safe and enjoy. This experiential work of learning how to 'get lost', will facilitate your ability to get lost in a hypnotic session. This would lead to you learning the skill necessary to be hypnotized, by your average relaxation hypnotheraputic induction. It may take a bit of time, but it is time well spent, in that you would have a whale of a good time in the process, and it would benifit all the rest of your life as well.

Actuall that would be my preferred method, because it is so much fun and it would have benificial results in so many other areas of your life.

You could go to a really good Ericksonian trained hypnotist. Their approach would be to utilize what you do, the patterns you exhibit to facilitate the trance. In other words they would leverage what your present hypnotist sees as resistance, or fails to percieve at all, into an asset that speeds you into trance. You could learn to go to somnambulistic trance in prolly just one session.

A third but less sure way, it is possible, but less likely so, that a confusion or revivication type trance indiction would work, the hypnotist in question would have to be well above agerage to be able to work with your AD (Auditory digital, self talk), instead of bumping up against it.

hope that helps,

skip

[Hypnotician]

hope that helps,

skip

Wow! That was fantastic, Skip. I learned a few things, myself.

Thanks.

-Ray.

[Dan]

I'm speechless. Thank you, thank you...

I'll post more later when my brain has something to say.

Dan