Hypnosis during light sleep

[inoino]

I had a relationship that I forgot, completely, for years. The man and everything about him were GONE from my memory. When I did remember him, I also remembered suspicious things said and done by the next man that I dated, leading me to believe that the two men knew each other, and the second may have caused me to forget the first using hypnosis - I only remember that once when I was half-asleep, he was speaking softly into my ear "think only of me."

Could it be that he also said more, that I don't remember, that erased the previous man from my memory?

[Don]

No

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[inoino]

What about if a hypnotherapist did it? Can someone be hypnotized without their knowledge, while they're asleep? For this question, disregard the subject in my first post, (forgetting a person completely).

Just consider the question "Can a person be hypnotized without their knowledge, while they're asleep?"

[Jack]

Hello,

Depends what you mean by 'asleep'. If you are on the borderline of sleep you
are already in an altered state and as such suggestible. However, you cannot be force fed suggestions with which you do not ethically or morally agree. If an attempt to do this is made, you will ignore them.

Jack

[Terry (existing)]

What about if a hypnotherapist did it? Can someone be hypnotized without their knowledge, while they're asleep? For this question, disregard the subject in my first post, (forgetting a person completely).

Just consider the question "Can a person be hypnotized without their knowledge, while they're asleep?" Knowing how careless some people are about posing a question that shows what they are really asking, I suppose in the interest of strict honesty, the reply is "YES". But to forstall your next question, no I will not explain how it is done, for that you will need to do some work for yourself or consult a local who will find out if it really happened. UnuUnu didn't you?

[inoino]

1. Yes, I "knew." Then I KNEW, KNEW KNEW KNEW KNEW KNEW.

2. No, my next question is not what you thought. I don't have a "next question."

3. The relationship was not with the hypnotherapist.

[Terry (existing)]

Actually number three didn't occur to me, so I guess you misunderstood my comments (G). You presented what you believe to be the problem, while I don't choose to accept what you say as likely, with so much else that could be the cause...When you consult one of us, we don't just assume what you tell us is accurate, and delve into the other possibilities as well in order to ensure that we are giving you the best treatment we can...The fact that what you ask is possible does not mean it happened as you tell it....Actually I don't believe that you told us the person you were querying was in fact a hypnotist...

[inoino]

Thanks to all who answered.

Terry, #3 was not meant for you. I appreciated your answering. #3 is for others reading the board--if I hadn't written the two posts myself, I might wonder "Is she saying she slept with the hypnotherapist?" so I answered that question without it having been asked.

It occurs to me, that is what you did in your answer, to me--answered a question that you were anticipating might be asked. It was an understandable assumption, and a good answer.

I'm not trying to learn hypnotism; just getting some input on some questions I have. Theoretically, what I believe happened is possible. There have been enough reactions of others who will not believe me, I'm not going to try convincing any more people.

[inoino]

Now, I have another question -- no one has to agree that what I believe happened really did. I didn't give much information. But I have read a lot on this board now. With the right conditions, hypnosis can be accomplished "in subterfuge."

I also read that "blocking memories can screw up life, worse than the actual memories." - (paraphrasing Merlin)

What I think I was hypnotized to believe was something I might have preferred over the truth. Even though I knew it to be false, I could change my belief "for my own good," because I was suggestible, and the person doing the hypnosis was someone I held in high esteem.

I held the false beliefs for almost 15 years. I don't know how I remembered the truth. Yes, it has made life a wreck.

Without knowing me, would anyone want to suggest where I might seek help in putting my life back together? I ask this knowing none of you want to sanction my belief that I was hypnotized without my knowledge.

[Terry (existing)]

It is so difficult to express oneself in writing and be sure that the resicipient gets the proper meaning.... I don;t recall anyone saying you were not hypnotised by subterfuse, and if they did it would be someone who believes this, because they are incapable of doing it, and all of the skilled members here would agree it is possible. When you are told that it is not possible to hypnotise someone against their will, this is fact, but no will is involved if you don't know it is happening. However, to forstal another question, even if you are hypnotised by subterfuse, nobody can make you do anything against your morals. At least that is the belief held by most of us, though in fact the majority of skilled members act in the best interest of the client, and wouldn't dream of trying to get them to do something against their own moral judgement, so we lack experience in trying to do this.

[Terry (existing)]

Sorry, I forgot to reply to the last para: how to get help...Since help is not possible from a distance, you will need to seek out the services of a local practitioner to rehypnotise you and allow recall of previous events. Should be quite simple I imagine.....

[inoino]

[QUOTE=Terry (existing)]all of the skilled members here would agree it is possible. When you are told that it is not possible to hypnotise someone against their will, this is fact, but no will is involved if you don't know it is happening.

That was it.

[inoino]

[QUOTE=Terry (existing)] the majority of skilled members act in the best interest of the client, and wouldn't dream of trying to get them to do something against their own moral judgement, so we lack experience in trying to do this.

I appreciate your answers very much.

Of course I understand about needing to get help face to face, but that's the hard part--trusting someone.

[inoino]

< you will need to seek out the services of a local practitioner to rehypnotise you and allow recall of previous events. Should be quite simple I imagine....

Not simple. The two I called said no, they don't do that kind of work (recall of previous events). From internet search, this kind of recall is not reliable--
besides my problem with trust, there might not even be someone to do the hypnosis. Terry, I thank you for the suggestion--maybe it's different in Canada. I don't know if I'll make some more calls, or maybe should try a forensic hypnotist--do they only work in police cases?

There's a lot of info about the unreliability of memories, whether recalled in or out of hypnosis--then there's my question--if I was asleep when it happened, what could I recall that could tell me anything? I already remember him talking to me when he thought I was asleep--when I said "what?" he wouldn't repeat it--I only remember "think only of me."

(for another thread? or, delete it if you want): There was some clunkiness about his speech in talking to me when we were awake--as if he used something on me like NLP techniques. Maybe most people would never use NLP to harm someone else. The fact remains, I've seen material on learning ways of seducing people. My "guy" went beyond that. He said things about "caring deeply" for me, only to cruelly dump me for trumped up reasons. Then he "cared" again. Then was gone. The problem is, I could ONLY THINK OF HIM for a long, long time after that. I'm not claiming any knowledge of NLP specifics--that might be obvious. But there are techniques advertised for "getting women to fall over."

I don't know how or why I came to this conclusion, about some kind of malicious manipulation. Something triggered it. When I looked back on the relationship, nothing about him warranted the years of devotion. I remained zombie-like, preferring my memories of him to the people actually IN my life. I don't think I can get an answer to what really happened. There's a reason I'm posting this here: anyone who would manipulate someone else for his own ends, be aware--your victim may figure you out. Do you want to live with that?

I can't prove what I think happened, and I'm going to move on. It's interesting reading here--there's the dark and the light. I clicked on a link in a post, and a link within that one, and there's a program for covert hypnosis--"get anyone to do anything. . . ." here it goes again--the "opposing view" on hypnosis.

I tried applying another post to my own situation--a very good perspective on getting over someone / in the "can you be hypnotized to forget someone?" thread. I still had to have this rant here. With so much info. on these techniques, who could say he did not use any of them on me? ? ? ?

Let me state, I know this board and the members here don't advocate the thing I'm talking about. My warning for the curious, who may be eager to "have their way" - do you really want to take the chance of being found out?

[skip]

inoino,

Im going to go against several grains here.

Yes you can be hypnotized when asleep. Yes it does bypass your critical factor and makes the "will" irrelevent to the question. Yes you can find yourself doing things that you previously thought you would never do, and notice I didnt say 'against your will'.

It isnt likely that you have been subjected to this, because most who would use it as you describe, will not spend the time and effort necessary to learn how. They are looking for the 'easy way', and this isnt it.

Yes people advertise anything from, "she will never know" to x-ray glasses. Is what they advertise possible? In some cases, yes. Is it likely that you will get what you think you are buying? No.

If you were talking to a skilled NLPer, their communication would never sound, or feel "clunky", as I understand the term. If they were unskilled, ie clunky, they would not be effective.


Now lets back off a bit and speak somewhat more generally and specifically.

You are subject to communication all the time, that you accept unconsciously, that by passes your conscious filter, and you respond to it. We are all recieving "hypnotic" communication that goes right to the core of us, and we act, respond, behave, think, differently as a result from that point on.

While I understand that the thought is very distressing to you, I also have to ask a kind of, "So what do you want to do now?"

To explain it on a different level, hypnosis is merely a method of teaching/learning that we humans have. It is a very good one. Using it you can teach/learn very fast and thoroughly. But it isnt mind control.

And you have learned things all thru your life. Many things. Some were useful, some were not so useful. And you will learn new things today. Now, you and I know there are millions of things you will learn in the fiture too. and all of them will affect you in ways great and small.

So what if someone did teach you some things while you were asleep or not paying particular attention? So what if you learned something that turned out to be not so useful for you? This is not different from so many other things you have learned and forgotten, and used and discarded, for your entire life. Most of your learning has been unconscious, so far, and will continue to be. There is essentially no difference between you picking up on new behavior because of some movie, or book, or news report, or a friend, and by using hypnosis. The only real difference is that using hypnosis we are better able to select what we choose to learn. Thats more control not less.

I dont know if someone really did the things you suspect. I know it is unliekly, but that is really pretty much irrelevent isnt it? What I believe? You believe it did occurr. And I realize that it may be a scarey thing to think someone had some sort of control over you. It is scarey until you realize that hypnosis is learning, learning like you have done and will continue to do all your life.

While you dont necessarily unlearn things when you learn new ones. You didnt forget how to crawl when you learned to walk did you? You dont necessarily continue to use those things you learned that dont serve you anymore. And even if you were, tomorrow you could learn something new.

So find out, or seek to find out, if you feel that you must to satisfy your curiosity. It might be worth it just for that, but it is unnecesary for you to pick up, from right where you are, and learn to live and respond as it pleases you, from this point on.

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[inoino]

For years I didn't relate anything about the whole unfortunate relationship to anybody. When it came back into my life--not my choice--I made the mistake of talking about it--a couple of years ago. Finally I got the message-- "shut up" - but could I drop it?

I wasn't much of an internet user then. I couldn't resist asking the questions. There are so many details I don't want to post--I picked up "clunky" from something I read. While it was happening there was nothing clunky about it--it's only looking back--at how his words didn't match his actions, that I don't know how I was fooled. Whatever he said, the effect stayed long after he was gone.

I appreciate your taking the time to answer. There might be some others in a situation like mine, looking for answers on the web.

[dolcevita]

inoino,

I understand what you mean - this sounds disturbingly familiar to me. I sometimes catch the end of things my partner is saying to me ( I don't care to repeat them here) while I am in some sort of half sleep state, usually after I have been listening to him talk to me before sleep and then become aware I have surfaced at the end of something, also I know what you mean by "clunky" often I feel what I am "reading" from him does not match waht I am hearing.

Dolcevita

[inoino]

Interesting you have noticed this, too. Maybe these two read the same book. . . .

You didn't say what his intentions are--without having to be specific, do you think he's saying things to keep you interested (like "think only of me"), or is it for some other purpose?

I'll be away from my computer for awhile--will check back in about 10 days.