warrior, settler or nomad?

[pinktrance]

I have been taught that there are three personality types which are: warriors, settlers and nomads, and that determining which group a client belongs to, and treating them accordingly greatly helps the thereputic process. It is possible to be a mixture of all three, but most people tend to be slightly more on one or the other. This idea comes from a guy in england called Terrance Watts and he has written an excellent book about it. His theory is that we all decended from either a warrior, settler or nomad tribe, but over the years we have become a slightly mixed gene pool, but most of us belong predominantly to one group or the other.

settlers:
physiology: responsive body and head movements. frequent smiles.
positive: caring, cheerful, pleasant, talkative and tolerant. `people` people.
negative: depressive, indecisive, underconfident. prone to mood swings.

warriors:
physiology: fairly straight-faced, few body response patterns, steady gaze.
positive: practical, tenacious and self-sufficient. quick thinkers.
negative: suspicious, dictatorial, manipulative. cannot easily admit mistakes.

nomad:
physiology: often expansive in gestures. can be animated and noisy. laughs easily.
positive: fun-loving, enthusiastic, outgoing. Inspiring and optimistic.
negative: unreliable, childish, boastful. prone to exaggerating minor successes.

warriors often have high powered jobs like bank managers, scientists etc. Settlers are usually in the caring profesion of some sort, and nomads are usually creative arty types.

I have found this method of personality detecting really helpful when treating clients, settlers need lots of reasurance and comforting. Warriors like things to be much more clinical and presice. Nomads like to be taken on a bit of a discovery of personal development and spiritual awareness. Obviously its not set in stone but i have found it excellent, some people to tend to have an equal perportion of all personalty types.

does any one else have different methods of discovering clients personality types/ modalities, that type of thing?
cheers
pinky:)

[Terry (existing)]

I would say PT, whatever works for YOU is fine for you. We all have a somewhat different aproach I suppose, since we are all different, but your question reminds me of someone learning to ride a bike, or drive a car for the first time, everything is done via concious effort. Once learned, all is programmed to the subconcious, and becomes automatic. You will find that this is how you operate eventually, but meantime, don't worry about if you are doing what the rest are doing, we are all at different stages, and doing what works for US......

[pinktrance]

i would say terry that your reply reminds me of someone that has been driving so long that thay have forgoten what its like to be a learner, and maybe drives a little too close to the bumper. Sometimes when driving in auto pilot one can be complacent and maybe miss important signs along the way;)
pinky

[Merlin]

>does any one else have different methods of discovering clients personality types/ modalities, that type of thing?

I use Meyers/Briggs or basic meta-programs for personality types.
I don't use it for hypnosis, but I do for other times.

[pinktrance]

hi merlin, do you get your clients to take a test or just rate them through intuition? i`m not familiar with the tests you mentioned, is there a web site you can recomend for them? i belive that nlp examines the directions the eyes move to determine modalities, but i havent learnt enough about that yet.
cheers
pinky

[skip]

Pink,

I like earth, air. fire , and water. There is another called Psychodynamics, I think that uses shapes, like square, rectangle, triangle, circle and squiggle. They are simple to apply. Sometimes I use Meyers Briggs.

BUT, BUT ALWAYS, I know that people are different in different contexts. Any 'test', or 'profiling' is only a lable, that allows you to "think" you know something about how they will respond. And you better know, people can change in an instant, and respond differently. So you had best be paying attention to them, not to their lable.

Do yourself a favor, go to one of the free online Meyers Briggs sites and take the test, twice. Do it once holding fixed in your mind a lovely romantic dinner that is going perfectly, and the other thinking about dumping that loser because he cheated on you. See if the Meyers Briggs results are consistant. Ask yourself how it might change if you are seeking a job, verses buying a car.

The tests do give insight, but the results arent the real person. OK?

skip

[Terry (existing)]

i would say terry that your reply reminds me of someone that has been driving so long that thay have forgoten what its like to be a learner, and maybe drives a little too close to the bumper. Sometimes when driving in auto pilot one can be complacent and maybe miss important signs along the way;)
pinky True of course, but I didn't miss the fact that you found my reply annoying when it was intended as encouragement..... Perhaps you should read it incontext that I began to practise thirty five years ago, have had much support from others, and would be ashamed of myself if I hadn't learned something, and progressed beyond the "doing it by rote" system I first learned. Everyone has to start in the same place, and I haven't forgotten that place, just progressed beyond it in some ways, but perhaps not in others.......

[Merlin]

Hi Pinktrance,

It's very rare that I'm concerned with these kinds of things, but when I test, it's in a more formalised setting.
There are many web-based tests, you might use your favorite search engine and browse.

The book Timeline Therapy and the basis of personality is a good reference book.

>i belive that nlp examines the directions the eyes move to determine modalities,

Or at least the modalities being accessed at the moment (remember to calibrate).

:-)(-:

[Simple Guy]

Pinky,

The thread is about reading people's personality. It's therefore ironic that
you misread our friend Terry. His attitude towards ongoing learning, surpasses
most people, even those one quarter of his years. So, Pinky, there may be
a helpful metaphor for you here. Perhaps not. You misread Terry and his
supportive reply to you. You may read unkindness into my post. Honestly,
that would be a misreading.

I've never used a formal personality inventory in my work and have never
sensed the need to do so. I also schedule enough time to get to know the
clients I work with. There was a study done awhile back of experienced
psychotherapists. They found that the accuracy by which they gage
personalities of clients (in something like a 15-20 minute first time
personal encounter) is parallel to the accuracy of the personality tests
that were in use at the time of the study. I imagine that some successful
card sharks and the very elite top of sales organizations, would score
similarly in their ability to assess personality factors. Those people, for
the most part, haven't trained in personality inventory methodologies, per
se, but have internalized a number of salient criteria for quickly and
accurately making determinations. It's a combination of knowledge,
intuition, experience and avoiding the trap of projections. After awhile,
it becomes, for the very best, second nature. Or to borrow your wording,
"auto pilot." Around here, we're fond of calling it "unconscious" or
"subconscious competence." It ain't a bad way to fly.

[HypnoBear]

PinkTrance,

I too use the Warrior/Settler/Nomad model for some people and find it very useful. Not saying it's "better" than Meyer-Briggs or any other, but it's easy to apply and clients also find it helpful.

Are you also aware that the creator of that model (Terence Watts) has developed a version of Parts Therapy based on these same personality types? If not, I recommend checking it out, as it's also quite a powerful tool for many problems.

[pinktrance]

thanks for all the replys you guys ! i am just interested in how other people work, and i am aware that it becomes second nature after a while, i didnt mean to take terrys reply the wrong way i just find that his "encouragement" comes accross as a little condisending at times.(but obviously thats my interpretation) , it seems that one brings up a topic to discuss on this board, and everyone just starts pontificating about the whys and wherefores about whether you should be doing that or not! i mearly said this is the method i have been taught, what method do you guys use?

thanks for that advise skip.
hypnobear, i wasnt aware of a new terrance watts theory, will check that out.
simple guy i am fairly fond of calling it the subconscious also!
merlin thanks for the book recomendation, i will check it out.
cheers pinky

[j0hnny#]

I get a bit filled with unease when I hear talk of personality types - everyone has their own personality - type might get some of it right but then ....

am i a smoker, no - do I smoke cigarettes, sometimes.... am I a smoker, no - once a smoker always a smoker (bhahahaha!)

how about learning the meta-model (Structure of Magic, Bandler) - I've been reading about that recently, types could be convenient but then I don't think you are dealing with types, most likely - its an individual. But hey, what do I know - I'm no therapist :)

Johnny