Can hypnosis heal teeth ?

[zarah]

Hi

I found a very bizzarr Information where people were claiming that
through hypnosis they healed their teeth and bleeding gums. According them hypnosis regenerates and repairs dental caries. Regrowth of missing teeth is also
possible even in one session. It souds so crazy and unbelievably. :eek: Is hypnosis that powerful ? What do you think?

[Neurotic1]

NO. Absolutely not. In terms of replacing missing teeth - if anyone suggests this can be done with hypnosis, I challenge them to produce the evidence. There may be some reduction in early carious lesions through increased production of saliva and/or changing the mineral & buffering capacity of saliva through psycho-neurophysiology. However, hypnosis to replace missing teeth is absolute pie in the sky.

[Neurotic1]

Further to my last response, there may be some effect on Periodontal disease but one must be careful that this is not merely an effect on blood supply to the 'gums' (gingivae) which may mask an underlying problem by giving the impression of an improvement. There may be some advantage with hypnosis and psycho-neuroimmunology in that an appropriate immune response can be upregulated. However, immune response of people to gum disease and disease of the ligament and bone around teeth (periodontium) is actually part of the destructive component of gum disease. Saliva is protective in the mouth. Increased saliva production may be of some benefit in all dental disease. I can certainly see the benefit for those who have 'dry mouth'. Thanks for the idea, it might do some research on that.

[Cassandra 8]

Hi

I found a very bizzarr Information where people were claiming that
through hypnosis they healed their teeth and bleeding gums. According them hypnosis regenerates and repairs dental caries. Regrowth of missing teeth is also
possible even in one session. It souds so crazy and unbelievably. :eek: Is hypnosis that powerful ? What do you think?Dental cares is caused as follows:

Peptostreptococci bacteria, naturally present in the mouth, break down sugar and starch, producing acid as a by-product.

Acid disolves calcium. The outer surface of your teeth are composed mostly of calcium.

Eventually, plaque (acid, saliva and food debris) mineralises forming tartar. This is irritating to your gums and casues gingivitis and even periodontal disease.

Most acid damage occurs at around 20 minutes after eating. Clean yor teeth after filling your face to keep it to a minimum, as your dentist has told you a thousand times.

The holes left where the acid has disolved away get deeper and deeper and eventually reach the soft pulp within the tooth and thence the nerve. Once various forms of bacteria follows, it finds conditions suitable to breeding. The result is infection and inflamation leading to terrible tooth ache. The treatment is to cure the infection with antibiotics then filling the holes again, possibly after destroying the damaged nerve. Or the damaged tooth is removed along with the nerve.

Does it sound reasonable that hypnosis can not only prevent bacteria from what they do best (eating and excreting), but can also somehow kick out bacteria from the inside of the tooth and fill in the disolved tunnels the acid carved like water in a chalk cliff with new calcium deposits?

Can it also scrape away tartar?

Think about it.

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I think this depends on what you mean by 'heal teeth'.

Can you cause your system to fill in the pits that acids have caused in the teeth?

Probably not, since the surface of your teeth isnt living tissue.

Can you 'magically' remove plaque?

Not likely, thats more of a mechanical problem.

Can you alter the chemical conditions in your mouth such that your saliva inhibits bacteria instead of encouraging it? Can you cause yourself to utilize better oral hygene such as more brushing and flossing, and not notice the extra effort required? Can you 'encourage' your gums to stop or reverse receeding?

Undoubtedly yes.

Grow a new tooth?

Well your body knows how ... so I wouldnt rule it out, just out of hand.

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[Merlin]

>Grow a new tooth?
>Well your body knows how ... so I wouldnt rule it out, just out of hand.

There has been promising research in tooth growing using Stem cells.
Maybe in 10-20 years...
who knows...

[Cassandra 8]

Rule it out?

Well, here's a way we can test it and find out. Stop cleaning and flossing a few teeth. We'll see how long before you start to feel the familiar pointed electric throb of a bad tooth. :)

I think there's a bigger issue we should be looking at around this. We know that the mind, existing as patterns of electrochemical energy within a physical structure, is indirectly connected to the rest of the body and that it has some influence, some profound influences in some cases. I just think we should remember that our influence across all our bodies is not uniform. I think this is one of those times, you see.

With practice, for instance, you can change the size of your iris at will, but I defy you to change its colour other than in terms of a belief in a change having taken place.

I've missed these chats. I do love a good think.

[Merlin]

>but I defy you to change its colour other than in terms of a belief in a change having taken place.

Today's impossibilities often become tomorrow's realities.
The colour is changable (Though limited in some cases).
It already happens.
People do not maintain the same colour throughout their life.

[Cassandra 8]

>but I defy you to change its colour other than in terms of a belief in a change having taken place.

Today's impossibilities often become tomorrow's realities.
The colour is changable (Though limited in some cases).
It already happens.
People do not maintain the same colour throughout their life.Well then, the question is, does the colour change by conscious thought, or the normal effects of ageing upon the iris?

[Neurotic1]

Hi Cassandra8

One of my qualifications is a Dental qualification so I thought I might be able to add something....

Dental cares is caused as follows:

Peptostreptococci bacteria, naturally present in the mouth, break down sugar and starch, producing acid as a by-product.[QUOTE]

The common bacteria using fermentable carbohydrate as a substrate are strep.mutans and strep.viridans. Those are the most frequent villains in dental caries although there are many others.

[QUOTE=Cassandra 8]Acid disolves calcium. The outer surface of your teeth are composed mostly of calcium..
Calicum cannot be dissolved. Calcium compounds, such as hydroxyapatite, which enamel mostly consists of, can be dissolved..

Eventually, plaque (acid, saliva and food debris) mineralises forming tartar. This is irritating to your gums and casues gingivitis and even periodontal disease.
Plaque is bacterial extracellular polysaccharide, with embedded bacteria and does not consist of much food at all.


The holes left where the acid has disolved away get deeper and deeper and eventually reach the soft pulp within the tooth and thence the nerve. Once various forms of bacteria follows, it finds conditions suitable to breeding. The result is infection and inflamation leading to terrible tooth ache. The treatment is to cure the infection with antibiotics then filling the holes again, possibly after destroying the damaged nerve. Or the damaged tooth is removed along with the nerve.
Teeth can be filled when the pulp containing nerve is reversibly inflamed (irreversible pulpitis) and the tootahce will settle. When the pulp is inflamed but the toothache is constant or long lasting (irreversible pulpitis), a root filling or extraction is usually required. Antibiotics in those two situations are ineffective and a waste of time. When the nerve has died and the infection has reached the bone at the tip of the root (apical periodontitis or apical abcess) then antibiotics may help but root filling or extraction will usually be required.


Does it sound reasonable that hypnosis can not only prevent bacteria from what they do best (eating and excreting), but can also somehow kick out bacteria from the inside of the tooth and fill in the disolved tunnels the acid carved like water in a chalk cliff with new calcium deposits?.
Hypnotising bacteria? As the hard tissue enamel of teeth and decay are essentially 'dead' space - non-living tissue, hypnosis is extremely unlikely to be able to produce significant effects on them. One cannot kick something out of a space one cannot access and the body cannot access the space where decay occurs through any means, even saliva. Okay so saliva has some preventetive and healing properties but once decay has penetrated to the layer through the enamel, it is unlikely ever to regress.


Can it also scrape away tartar?

Think about it.
Hypnosis cannot scrape anything

I hope that helps clarify it a little. I'm sure that you are right that hypnosis can be very valuable in Dentistry in a variety of ways.

[Cassandra 8]

Hi Cassandra8

One of my qualifications is a Dental qualification so I thought I might be able to add something....

...I hope that helps clarify it a little. I'm sure that you are right that hypnosis can be very valuable in Dentistry in a variety of ways.Likewise, we can agree that we don't have uniform mental control over all aspects of our physical form, dental health clearly being one in which we have little. Not as little as other aspects, but I think it's important we keep things as objectively in perspective as we can.

[Merlin]

>Well then, the question is, does the colour change by conscious thought, or the normal effects of ageing upon the iris?

I would think the question would be more of:
can the colour change by sub-conscious/unconscious thought
rather than conscious (this being a hypnosis board :)

[Cassandra 8]

>Well then, the question is, does the colour change by conscious thought, or the normal effects of ageing upon the iris?

I would think the question would be more of:
can the colour change by sub-conscious/unconscious thought
rather than conscious (this being a hypnosis board :)Have it your own way, but the question still stands. You're in more mental control of some physical attributes than others. Some, like pain perception, you can have complete control over, others less so. We'd be capable of complete physical reconfiguration if this differentiation were not so.

Anticipating your expected answer: No, you do not have that ability. You'd be a shapeshifter with David Ike as your stalker. Just be happy with who you are and have the world change its perception of you. I's far easier :)

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Cassandra,

Howdy girl, thought you had become lost.

You said to Merlin, "Have it your own way, but the question still stands. You're in more mental control of some physical attributes than others. Some, like pain perception, you can have complete control over, others less so. We'd be capable of complete physical reconfiguration if this differentiation were not so."

Now maybe I shouldnt be directly confrontational right off the bat ... so consider this if you will.

There are a lot of things we know. There are a lot of things we dont know. There are many things we can do, and many things we cannot do. And we dont know if we can do more things than we cannot or vice versa.

You tend to argue for our ability to do just those things we have already done. And that gives you the ability to do lots of things, because you are well educated, and so know about 'doing' a lot of things.

It seems to rule out however, doing or even attempting, those things we dont know for sure whether or not we can do them.

You say, "You're in more mental control of some physical attributes than others."

And I would have to agree, it is fairly self evident.

When I wander, I cant help but wonder, "Is that because of some inherent structural limitation? Or is it just because of some skill set we havent fully developed yet?"

Sometimes beliefs are hidden in statements. Often people limit themselves because of their beliefs.

When you know something cannot be done Cassandra, something like filling in pits in teeth, or growing new teeth, (wisdom teeth notwithstanding), or shape shifting, how do you know it? How are you sure in that knoweledge?

just curious,

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[Cassandra 8]

>Howdy girl, thought you had become lost.

I had business elsewhere...


>Now maybe I shouldnt be directly confrontational right off the bat ... so
>consider this if you will.

>There are a lot of things we know. There are a lot of things we dont know.
>There are many things we can do, and many things we cannot do. And we
>dont know if we can do more things than we cannot or vice versa.

Nicely put.


>You tend to argue for our ability to do just those things we have already
>done. And that gives you the ability to do lots of things, because you are
>well educated, and so know about 'doing' a lot of things.

Now, that's an interesting observation and it's interesting to see how I come across. In my theory of cognition, there's a difference between what we know and take as a good and useable model of everyday reality and what our personal model of reality also allows us to believe as being possible/true.

We could both look at the same information and form completely opposing beliefs about the reality it represents, depending on how our critical faculties are configured by our individual experiences. A couple of quick examples of what i mean are useful at this point:

For one person, a lack of a signal from an alien civilisation means they probably don't exist or are too far away, while for another it means they're hiding and plotting to overthrow us. All there is, in reality, is an absence of signal. The interpretation depends on the person's CF.

Similarly, I recently saw a drunken man fall over on a pedestrian crossing. I rushed over to help as did someone else - who had rushed out of a house to help. The other witnes insisted that a car knocked down the drunk. Cars, for the other witness, knock people down. The man looked knocked down. I had seen the drunk stagger, fall and fail to get up. He was fine, just drunk.



>It seems to rule out however, doing or even attempting, those things we
>dont know for sure whether or not we can do them.

On the contrary. My model of cognition says that if we want to find out whether a belief may be safely taken as true, we should trap and record it in the act of being true, then invite others to do the same. If we all get the same result, it's generally true and reasonable to believe and not just a nice idea. It's still just belief, but it is arrived at independently by different minds based on the configuration of their individual CFs.

The scientific method is a good way of doing this, but "scientists" seem like such a bunch of boring killjoys who seem to like to find holes in things. We want short cuts to a better life! We're prepared to believe the unproven simply because it's more convenient and interesting than to find out and be disappointed. Or at least, that's my assertion. I need to do more work on that yet :D


>You say, "You're in more mental control of some physical attributes than
> others."
>And I would have to agree, it is fairly self evident.

>When I wander, I cant help but wonder, "Is that because of some inherent
>structural limitation? Or is it just because of some skill set we havent fully
>developed yet?"

It's good to wonder while wandering about wondering about things, but we must take care not to be led a merry dance by what we'd like to believe. A mind, like a parachute, does not work well when closed, but similarly, a completely open mind often gets filled with junk :)

So, we naturally filter ideas for truth based upon what we already believe, as I said a few paragraphs ago. You clearly like the idea of hypnotic tooth repair. I think it's a nice idea too, but I have a different CF configured by a completely different life to yours.

Maybe what we could do to make common, constructive progress in this matter is to investigate and draw a physical map we could publish showing just how much the acverage person can mentally influence aspects of their physical form. From there we can say with some authority what's possible for the client, and how big their breasts can grow or how blue their brown eyes can become, for instance :)


>Sometimes beliefs are hidden in statements. Often people limit themselves
>because of their beliefs.

Personally, I'm okay with having limited control over much of my physical state, like I am with my own mortality and a lack of underlying meaning or design to the universe. We're a marvel of evolution, but not miraculous :) Evolution may even have good reasons for not letting us change some things as profoundly as others.


>When you know something cannot be done Cassandra, something like filling
>in pits in teeth, or growing new teeth, (wisdom teeth notwithstanding), or
>shape shifting, how do you know it? How are you sure in that knoweledge?

I don't know everything. But while it's perfectly true, noting it doesn't have the power to make me doubt ad hoc brcause of my particular CF. All you need do to make your belief mine is bypass my CF (personally, I feel "reconfigure" is more meaningful than "bypass"). That's clearly not going to happen, so we must wait for evidence of a technique I can use and prove the effect to myself. If that happens, I'll support you all the way.

[Neurotic1]

Likewise, we can agree that we don't have uniform mental control over all aspects of our physical form, dental health clearly being one in which we have little. Not as little as other aspects, but I think it's important we keep things as objectively in perspective as we can.
Yes, in terms of hypnosis being able to health teeth, I would suggest that that is at the very outer limits of likelihood. We do, however, have mental control in that we can choose to brush and floss, maintain good oral hygeine, not smoke and indulge in a diet that is non-damaging to the dentition. I think hypnosis may be of some value in prevention in several ways. For example, motivational therapy for oral hygeine, hypnotherapy to increase saliva flow (saliva can heal carious lesions confined to enamel in the very early stages and when preventative measures are in place). There is also an interesting possibility with periodontal ('gum') disease in that this involves the living soft and hard tissues and therefore may be more amenable to neurophysiological/psychoneuroimmunological manipulation. Now that is a pathway worthy of exploration. A hypnotherapist who could stop the progression of periodontal disease would be a very rich hypnotherapist indeed.:)

[Don]

Have it your own way, but the question still stands. You're in more mental control of some physical attributes than others. Some, like pain perception, you can have complete control over, others less so. We'd be capable of complete physical reconfiguration if this differentiation were not so.

Perhaps, Cassandra, it's not that you have less or more control over certain physical attributes, but rather that the DNA code requires that certain things take more time than others. Pain control is fast, controlling the re-growth of broken bones, for example, takes longer.

IF that is possible, it might explain why making some physical changes doesn't seem to work. Because we don't see rapid results,our boredom/attitude/lack of interest/feelings of failure, etc., influence items that take time. Thus, if something doesn't happen right away, we end up subconsciously countering the suggestions we made for physical change. The result: they don't occur.

IF this explains what is going on, it's not that suggestion doesn't help the broken bone heal, but that we unknowingly give suggestions which counter our consciously desired suggestions. That means it always works--we're just not aware of what we're doing.

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Cassandra,

You said, "We could both look at the same information and form completely opposing beliefs about the reality it represents, depending on how our critical faculties are configured by our individual experiences."

And then later you said, "My model of cognition says that if we want to find out whether a belief may be safely taken as true, we should trap and record it in the act of being true, then invite others to do the same. If we all get the same result, it's generally true and reasonable to believe and not just a nice idea. It's still just belief, but it is arrived at independently by different minds based on the configuration of their individual CFs."

Doesnt the first statement (which I tend to agree with) preclude the second being likely? It would seem to me that the reality might be there and we still not all get the same result, because the result is based on our unique cognitions. Or did I miss something?

Not that I disagree with what I think you meant to say. And that is that there are some things we can all agree on as common experiences, and those things might be called 'true', while others fall into some other category. Personally I would prefer 'not proven' as opposed to 'false'.

But that's a deliberate choice, and agreed that it isnt for everyone.

And since the knoweledge base is so vast, most of us have not had the opportunity to experience it first hand, that means for most of us, 'knowing' is purely faith based. In fact most of what we as individuals know, is this 'faith based stuff', as opposed to what we actually have first hand knoweledge of. Thats one of the reasons I asked you, "How do you know what you know?"

See you have faith in the scientific method, and you have faith in 'truths' based in the results of the scientific method. That means you have faith that the scientist, didnt cheat. Unless you have duplicated everything, you currently know, yourself, and gotten the identical results, you are opertaing on 'faith based' information.

Now just because information is faith based, doesnt make it invalid. I operate on faith based information too. The criteria I use to accept this faith based information is different than yours. Not necessarily better or worse, just different. We dont do this because we are addle headed or wishful thinkers. We do it out of necessity.

Then you say, "The scientific method is a good way of doing this, but "scientists" seem like such a bunch of boring killjoys who seem to like to find holes in things."

Here I disagree. The scientific method is good for some things, even though it is subject to bias with the best of safeguards. It is entirely inappropriate for many other things. While not a panacea by along shot, I can agree the scientific method does have its uses.

Then you say, "We want short cuts to a better life! We're prepared to believe the unproven simply because it's more convenient and interesting than to find out and be disappointed. Or at least, that's my assertion. I need to do more work on that yet"

I am sure there are some who want short cuts. Not sure it includes everybody, tho. And specifically what is wrong with shortcuts. You say it as if it is a bad thing, to be able to do something faster with less effort. Is that a bit of the Puritan work ethic raising its ugly head? "No pain no gain" is a false idol. You are welcome to spend unnecesary time and effort on something if you want to, but it doesnt mean everyone else needs to as well, does it?

You said, "It's good to wonder while wandering about wondering about things, but we must take care not to be led a merry dance by what we'd like to believe. A mind, like a parachute, does not work well when closed, but similarly, a completely open mind often gets filled with junk."

What does this have to do with the idea, "Things we cant do now are skills sets we havent yet aquired, as opposed to structural barriers?"

You said, "So, we naturally filter ideas for truth based upon what we already believe, as I said a few paragraphs ago."

That sounds like a closed mind to me. We may do it naturally, but it seems as if we would be better off doing it differently.

You said, "Maybe what we could do to make common, constructive progress in this matter is to investigate and draw a physical map we could publish showing just how much the acverage person can mentally influence aspects of their physical form. From there we can say with some authority what's possible for the client, and how big their breasts can grow or how blue their brown eyes can become, for instance"

Thanks for laying out your convincer strategy, in this, but I already had it. And yes that is the way you would be convinced of something like this. However it doesnt take into account the way anyone else might like to be convinced. It isnt my preferred way to be convinced, for example. So it would sort of leave everyone out who isnt convinced that way, wouldnt it?

Now I understand that most people believe everyone else thinks like them, if they think at all. And they tend to assume that the 'evidence' that convinces them SHOULD convince every one else. That isnt reality based, it isnt very useful, but a lot of people cling to it. That's how you get people who think, "Since I havent personally been convinced, it cannot be true, and everyone who proports it to be true is either foolish, or fooling."

You said, "I don't know everything. But while it's perfectly true, noting it doesn't have the power to make me doubt ad hoc brcause of my particular CF. All you need do to make your belief mine is bypass my CF (personally, I feel "reconfigure" is more meaningful than "bypass"). That's clearly not going to happen, so we must wait for evidence of a technique I can use and prove the effect to myself. If that happens, I'll support you all the way."

Im sorry was there an answer to the question, "How do you know you know something in there?" Cassendra? I appreciate your anticipation of where I might be going with it, but that wasnt it at all.

And far be it for me, to try and 'by pass' your anything. Nor am I looking for your support. And I agree with you a lot more than I let on.

But you are much too enjoyable exactly the way you are, for me to wish to change you. I was kidding around with one of my friends the other day, and I put my arm around her and said, "Before we become an item, I need to know which of us is going to change, vegan or carnivore, liberal or conservative, etc?" Another friend overheard me and said, "When you have found the perfect woman, why would you want to change her?"

Why on earth Cassandra, would I want to change you? ;)

cheers,

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[Merlin]

Periodontal healing has been done by inserting 'resorbable' membraines between teeth and gums for years.

Why not hypnosis enhancement or even exclusively?

[Merlin]

Hi Don,

Besides some physiological changes taking a *long* time, I've also noticed the changes need *constant* reinforcement, which seems to go against hypnosis principles.

[Simple Guy]

Hi all,

With all the dental discussion around here lately (including Grover's
"A day at the dentist thread" in the NLP section), it occurs to me
that dentists would have been better off if Elman had enough years
to help dentists as much as he taught them to help their patients.
They continue to have a high suicide rate. (In my opinion, mercury
exposure probably has a part in this.)

[Neurotic1]

Periodontal healing has been done by inserting 'resorbable' membraines between teeth and gums for years.

Why not hypnosis enhancement or even exclusively?
Yes guided tissue regeneration using membranes. As the problem is different repair rates of bone, periodontal ligament and epithelium, I agree, this could be a good area for hypnotherapeutic intervention.

[Shlomo_NLP]

Hypnosis does not "heal", it can only encourage your body to accelerate the natural healing process or teach it to ignore or diminish the side effects of medicine.

"healing" is a very confusing word when it comes to mind related therapies.

[Neurotic1]

Hypnosis does not "heal", it can only encourage your body to accelerate the natural healing process or teach it to ignore or diminish the side effects of medicine.

"healing" is a very confusing word when it comes to mind related therapies.
Yes. I expect it could also influence the body in terms of slowing and moderating that process. The term 'healing' needn't be confusing in a mind related therapy context - doesn't it just depend on how one interprets it?

[xavierm_2003]

hi

I have not done any dental hypnosis but I have been interested in the subject and have done some research, here is what I have found.

The term for extra teeth, beyond the adult teath and wisdom teeth, are referd to as supernumerary teeth. their are several ways that these teeth occure, one is during normal development the cell cald a tooth bud slits and two normal or deformed teeth develop and erupt. However this does not account for all of the ways. some cases of a third tooth or several third teeth of normal formation do acure but acording to the dentists that i have talked to they have now casses of the third tooth/teeth erupting, so my thought is that either the mechanisem for eruption is not present or modern dentistry hasn't seen every thing yet.

knowing this alows me to think that it might me possible to induce a tooth bud to grow and devolop a tooth and that it may be possible to get the tooth to erupt. however here is my problem the baby teeth have a planed loss rate/removal method, the roots desolve back into the body I have not found the mothod the dody uses for this, how to activat or control it. so going thru the groth and eruption prosses would have to occur only with lost tooth locathons(If some one can figur out how to get the teeth to erupt.)

[xavierm_2003]

sorry for the spelling errors

[Neurotic1]

hi

I have not done any dental hypnosis but I have been interested in the subject and have done some research, here is what I have found.

The term for extra teeth, beyond the adult teath and wisdom teeth, are referd to as supernumerary teeth. their are several ways that these teeth occure, one is during normal development the cell cald a tooth bud slits and two normal or deformed teeth develop and erupt. However this does not account for all of the ways. some cases of a third tooth or several third teeth of normal formation do acure but acording to the dentists that i have talked to they have now casses of the third tooth/teeth erupting, so my thought is that either the mechanisem for eruption is not present or modern dentistry hasn't seen every thing yet.

knowing this alows me to think that it might me possible to induce a tooth bud to grow and devolop a tooth and that it may be possible to get the tooth to erupt. however here is my problem the baby teeth have a planed loss rate/removal method, the roots desolve back into the body I have not found the mothod the dody uses for this, how to activat or control it. so going thru the groth and eruption prosses would have to occur only with lost tooth locathons(If some one can figur out how to get the teeth to erupt.)
Interesting thoughts. I think the chances of getting a new tooth bud to develop are pretty unlikely. I don't think eruption is the problem here - although you are correct that nobody really knows the mechanism for it, there are several very plausible theories. In any event, unerupted teeth can be exposed and pulled into position in the jaws. Of course, there is no evidence that I am aware of regarding the potential for hypnosis to cause teeth which fail to erupt to do so. Getting the tooth to develop by getting a new tooth bud from nowhere would be the miraculous thing let alone getting it to be the right tooth and in the right position.

[skip]

Hey Neurotic1,

Getting a new tooth to bud and grow and erupt and ... would indeed be miraculous.

You have done it already how many times?

60+

Your body does miraculous things every day.

Food for thought.

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[xavierm_2003]

>Getting the tooth to develop by getting a new tooth bud from nowhere would be the miraculous thing let alone getting it to be the right tooth and in the right position.

I have not been able to find info about if the tooth bud is just a cell that has a gene activated or if it is a predeturmind structure. But most of my research has been from the internet and not dental textbooks.

However I belive that a show possibly Riplie's (old show), could be a different show, talked about a man that had a complet third set of teeth (in the dental x-ray) that had not erupted.

[Neurotic1]

Hey Neurotic1,

Getting a new tooth to bud and grow and erupt and ... would indeed be miraculous.

You have done it already how many times?

60+

Your body does miraculous things every day.

Food for thought.

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Yes people's bodies on average will do that just over 52 times. That was due to development in utero. It would be fascinating to make tooth buds develop although I suspect that would require some influence of hypnosis over genetics and I doubt very much that it would be likely to occur. I think in that situation hypnosis is deeply limited, although I would very much delight in being proved wrong.

[Neurotic1]

>Getting the tooth to develop by getting a new tooth bud from nowhere would be the miraculous thing let alone getting it to be the right tooth and in the right position.

I have not been able to find info about if the tooth bud is just a cell that has a gene activated or if it is a predeturmind structure. But most of my research has been from the internet and not dental textbooks.

However I belive that a show possibly Riplie's (old show), could be a different show, talked about a man that had a complet third set of teeth (in the dental x-ray) that had not erupted.
A toothbud develops, as far as we know, from a stem cell that has been genetically influenced to divide and develop into a structure of cells which, once structured, become known as a tooth bud. That's the most plausible and evidence based explanation to date.

[Merlin]

>A toothbud develops, as far as we know, from a stem cell that has been genetically influenced to divide and develop into a structure of cells which, once structured, become known as a tooth bud.

Hmmm...

My last class on biology taught that stem cells, tooth cells, toenail cells, and eyeball cells were *genetically identical* if we're discussing one person.

It would seem to me that there might be something other than genetics involved here.
The mind??

[Merlin]

>I suspect that would require some influence of hypnosis over genetics...

That has been shown possible by Ernest Rossi and David Cheek's research.

>and I doubt very much that it would be likely to occur.

"When the mind expects something to happen,
it will go out of its way to create that expectation as a reality."

[Neurotic1]

>I suspect that would require some influence of hypnosis over genetics...

That has been shown possible by Ernest Rossi and David Cheek's research.

>and I doubt very much that it would be likely to occur.

"When the mind expects something to happen,
it will go out of its way to create that expectation as a reality."
Hi Merlin. I agree with your thoughts that it is possible. I don't believe it to be entirely impossible. It is not impossible that I will throw a jigsaw puzzle on the floor and will all the pieces into the right place using the power of my mind - I just believe it to be highly unlikely... not impossible, one could say.

[Neurotic1]

>A toothbud develops, as far as we know, from a stem cell that has been genetically influenced to divide and develop into a structure of cells which, once structured, become known as a tooth bud.

Hmmm...

My last class on biology taught that stem cells, tooth cells, toenail cells, and eyeball cells were *genetically identical* if we're discussing one person.

It would seem to me that there might be something other than genetics involved here.
The mind??
Hmm, interesting. I see what you're getting at. It is interesting though, that the body can continue to grow and develop quite nicely without having a mind - as evidenced by people who are essentially 'brain dead' being kept alive on life-support systems. What I am saying is that the mind can influence the body in various ways - I just don't believe it to be all powerful. We know that there are many physiological effects which can be influenced by the mind and they may have a variable knock on effect on genetics - however I feel this effect is likely to be limited. I doubt that one could grow a new arm, for example, through the power on the mind - maybe the mind will develop through evolution to allow this but I suspect that the mind has limited control in our current state of evolution. If the mind had complete control over what the body is, there would inevitably be some very interesting consequences.

[Merlin]

>I just believe it to be highly unlikely... not impossible, one could say.

Ok.

We just differ a little bit.
I just think it's an issue of know-how of the hypnotist, rather than highly unlikely.

[Merlin]

>It is interesting though, that the body can continue to grow and develop quite nicely without having a mind - as evidenced by people who are essentially 'brain dead' being kept alive on life-support systems.

The difference being that I don't equate mind with brain.

From my map brain dead is not the same as mind dead.

[Neurotic1]

>I just believe it to be highly unlikely... not impossible, one could say.

Ok.

We just differ a little bit.
I just think it's an issue of know-how of the hypnotist, rather than highly unlikely.
Ok, agreed. Let me know when you do it and I will send many people your way for the therapy.:)

[Neurotic1]

The difference being that I don't equate mind with brain.

From my map brain dead is not the same as mind dead.

Yes. I agree, I don't equate mind with brain nor do I believe brain dead is mind dead so I am glad we agree on that. From my map, I believe that the brain is the tool used by the mind to influence the body and thereupon maybe our shared beliefs diverge? I suspect that one who is brain dead would be a difficult hypnotic subject.

[Merlin]

>so I am glad we agree on that.

Amazing...
But true :)

>From my map, I believe that the brain is the tool used by the mind to influence the body and thereupon maybe our shared beliefs diverge?

Less divergent than that.

>I suspect that one who is brain dead would be a difficult hypnotic subject.

Still no divergence.
But I'm inclined to think not impossible.

I was recently reading definitions of 'braindead', persistent vegetative state, etc.
I can induce those symptoms hypnotically.

You may disagree. Perhaps based on what you believe 'braindead' to be.
I have room for doubt.

[rodimus]

Strangely enough,I read an amazon reader review on Ernest Holmes' Science of Mind book, he said that he had caused his broken bones to heal with using visualisation and using Science of Mind.


However Ernest Holmes did once said he does not know (or has not used) Science of Mind prayers/affirmation/healing to treat bones.

[Merlin]

>he said that he had caused his broken bones to heal with using visualisation and using Science of Mind.

Does this mean he would not have healed without
"using visualisation and using Science of Mind"?

[Neurotic1]

>
You may disagree. Perhaps based on what you believe 'braindead' to be.
I have room for doubt.

It's good to know we agree on so much. I like agreeing with you Merlin because you are clearly knowlegeable in hypnotherapy.
In plain English, IMO I will say that I do doubt very much that anyone will be able to grow new teeth using hypnosis and nothing else. It's that simple in my mind. I appreciate one can be limited by one's own view of reality but I also think that one can promise too much of hypnosis, which whilst useful to promote its potential, can also be undermining of it as a therapy. I would welcome to be proven wrong and to have my total doubt removed but I doubt that will happen also. I apologise for my closed stance on the issue. That is my reality and as such, whilst I would love it to be changed I expect it not to be in this area at least and will continue to work on the others lol.

[Merlin]

>In plain English, IMO I will say that I do doubt very much that anyone will be able to grow new teeth using hypnosis and nothing else.

I can certainly understand.
I would too, except I've seen to many things I've doubted become reality.
So, I'm more 'cautiously optimistic' that maybe in a few more decades the 'secret' will be unlocked to us.
I don't want to be *too* closed minded.

>I appreciate one can be limited by one's own view of reality but I also think that one can promise too much of hypnosis.

I wouldn't promise either.
I just don't close the door.

>which whilst useful to promote its potential, can also be undermining of it as a therapy.

There's a place for research IMO.

>I apologise for my closed stance on the issue.

No need to apologise.
I just find being more open works better *for me*
If someone show up tomorrow claiming success, rather than saying impossible, i'll say "cool, teach me" :)

>whilst I would love it to be changed I expect it not to be in this area at least and will continue to work on the others lol.

Until someone shows me, I'll keep visiting my dentist.

[Neurotic1]

Thanks for clarifying Merlin. I think I'm getting where you're coming from and I appreciate your point of view.