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EC
01-26-2005, 12:10 PM
Thought you mind gurus out there might enjoy this short example of how the mind perceives incoming information.

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt.

EC

Terry (existing)
01-26-2005, 03:40 PM
I couldn't even do it slowly for most of the time so I definitely can't do it quickly

Charlie
01-26-2005, 11:37 PM
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I can read it very quickly, and make complete sense of it.

No brag, just true.

I'm a fairly fast skim-reader by nature, and have also done Paul Scheele's photo-reading course, which helped even more.

I strongly 'expect' to be able to skim-read basic information and absorb it. However, I get stumped by more complex stuff, and have to force myself to slow down, to absorb info better. But a simple paragraph as EC has presented, I read in approx 1 second, and completely expect to understand it, before I start it.

Maybe this makes some sort of a difference, I don't know.

It's 'as if' the conscious mind grabs the info as fast as possible, and the unconscious mind is forced to fill in the gaps, despite all the mis-spellings. That's how it 'feels' for me, anyhow, but then I suppose I would tend to interpret it that way, because of fairly strong interest in Hypnosis/Unconscious etc. Other disciplines might interpret the phenomenon somewhat differently, I don't know.

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Qiuet facsinatnig.

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j0hnny#
01-27-2005, 03:53 AM
is amazing - if you think about it - although when I read it, it sounded in my head like I Stephen Hawking with a cold. Weird heh? Did anyone else get that? Isn't that interesting? I wonder what that suggests?

J

Charlie
01-27-2005, 05:12 AM
when I read it, it sounded in my head like I Stephen Hawking with a cold. Weird heh? Did anyone else get that? Isn't that interesting? I wonder what that suggests?

Maybe because you are spending a long-ish time 'sounding out' the words, before they make sense to you?

What happens if you remove the auditory-internal, as you read. - Does it not enable you to make sense quicker?

Can yuo maek tihs haeppn, now?

j0hnny#
01-27-2005, 05:19 AM
Well I kindof thought that I read it pretty quick. If I remove the auditory internal I don't seem to be reading. But then maybe there is some reason you are telling me to do this? Should it make sense quicker? Do you really not have any auditory internal when you read? If yes, that is very interesting.

Charlie
01-27-2005, 07:53 AM
Johnny,

I am suggesting that if you PRACTISE removing auditory internal, you will read more quickly, and I was also WONDERING if that had something to do with speed of comprehension of the jumbled text.

I understand what you say re: "If I remove the auditory internal I don't seem to be reading", and I would suggest your rate of reading could be related to this.

For me personally, there would be no way I could read a whole paragraph in a second if I kept 'sounding out' every word. It's mostly a visual thing for me, but there is a small auditory component as well, maybe 10%. You could call it skim-reading or speed-reading or whatever.

I also have a massive belief that I can do it. If you hand me a page of A4 paper with several hundred words of text, I completely believe that I can read it within seconds rather than minutes. I just know I can, and knowing it means I just don't have time for much of the auditory component of reading.

However, I must admit that at present I tend only to believe this inasmuch it relates to relatively simple information. If you hand me a page of A4 paper with complex quantum physics information, I just don't believe I could read it in seconds. I could well be wrong, but that is my belief at present.

And if you are wondering how specifically you could practise removing auditory-internal whilst reading, then, short of doing a speed-reading course, I'd suggest you try, initially, only internally-dialoguing every second word, as you read, then every third word, etc. Or some similar practise. i.e., start with small chunks of changing your reading strategy, and then chunk up more and more, until you can read a whole paragraph in a second.

Just a few ideas/thoughts, anyway.

Disclaimer: I am not a professional Hypnotist, NLPer, Speed-Reading trainer. - Just another dork on the Internet.

j0hnny#
01-27-2005, 08:18 AM
Charlie, I'm not entirely sure how we got from my hearing Stephen Hawking with a cold in that paragraph to your recommendation that I should take up speed reading. (well actually that is a lie, I can kind of see how we got here). Its a useful skill to have. I actually have Scheele's photoreading whole mind system course at home (lent from a friend). I just can't get into it. I think it could be Paul's voice... seems to grate on me a bit (for some reason). Also, I think I remember him saying that you can gain about 70-80% recall. That seems like enough to suggest it would be worthwhile although I seem to have issues believing I could properly assess certain kinds of arguments by this means (with philosophical arguments e.g. you have to understand before you proceed - often lots of tricky little steps) - so, therefore, I am dubious about investing time in it. Having said that I would like to hear more testimonials about it.

Thanks though Charlie. Certainly seems to work a bit that reading every second word - just read over the paragraph in your post there that mentions it, and seem to be understanding ok. Any other tips, let me know.

(If it works it works) :)

Charlie
01-27-2005, 09:03 AM
Johnny,

I wish I could provide more info re Scheele's photoreading course, but it's literally years since I did it, and I no longer have it, as I sold it on eBay.

I do remember I spent a good week or so over it, and quite enjoyed it because I had the luxury of the time to do so.

I think my final impression at the time, after completing the course, was "yeah, that was quite a good course, not brilliant, but quite good".

Any conscious memory of the course has now gone completely, but I think it somehow added to my natural skills as a fairly fast reader.

As for any tips, the one that immediately springs to mind is one you probably already know. i.e. self-hypnosis. - Which presents endless possibilities for self-improvement!

Oh yeah, and keep healthy too. I suspect healthy people are more likely to be quicker readers/learners.

Also, be warned: When you become a faster reader, slow-loading web-pages may make you incredibly impatient!!! http://forum.hypnosis.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Tudor
01-31-2005, 05:03 AM
I was amazed to read and find out, that after the first sentences I did't see that there where someting wrong. But when I read the word "mnid" i did see that something was wrong.
But, just in the begining when I start to read, I did't see it.
When I read an english text I don't have to translate it, but I have to sound the words, like some said, about 10%. And I'm a fast reader both in Swedish and english.
I have to try it out in my native language to see if the result is the same.
Peter

mariah
02-20-2005, 04:12 AM
What if you CAN indeed read it? And FAST? I could, and English is not even my first language.

:D

notonthisboard
03-15-2005, 11:54 AM
Charlie, Mariah, I'm with you. It was easy to read and understand. It barely took any longer to read than correctly spelled words. I believe it has more to do with linguistic competence than reading speed.

I found it at a wonderful moment--the long discussion threads take TOO LONG for me to read--I had just spent longer than I can bear to think about rereading a discussion, looking for something I remembered seeing there.
By the time I found it (because I wouldn't quit looking), I no longer wanted to add to the discussion--I just wanted to GO.

I know I'm at a disadvantage, being a 'normal-speed' reader. So I'm glad this thread caught my eye.

pinktrance
03-15-2005, 03:27 PM
I have recieved this many times via email, i think our minds are so clever that it fills in the gaps and sorts it out, as it knows what the word should be. Have you seen that famous triangle that has paris in the the spring written on it? there are two word the`s but our minds only see one, we see what we want to see basicaly, when people are starting to go blind with cateracts our brain replaces lost image with memory of what it knows the image to look like, very clever

Pdrive
03-16-2005, 10:30 AM
I could read it as quick as any other text.

I suggest the entire board start posting in this manner, just to make the internet a more interesting place. What do ya think?

betlamed
03-17-2005, 01:16 AM
A few observations, maybe obvious ones: When you try to read just one single word without context ("qiotsenus"), it gets much harder. Also, I think the grade of mixup is significant: "rdanieg" vs "raeidng". Plus, real-looking syllables will make it hard to not focus on them. And for non-native speakers, an additional challenge is that some confused letters look like real syllables in their primary language ("r-daen-ig" almost looks like a german word).

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guest 2006
03-19-2005, 05:55 PM
LOL!

srue teh wolhe baord souhld srat psiotng leik tihs, ceehrs, yaeh, itnersteing how teh mnid wkros itnpretreing smyblos.. one itnerseting thnig is taht in speed raeidng its bset dnoe whtih taking 2 wrods and pttuing tehm tgteher to form oen wrod.

Curios
03-28-2005, 11:14 AM
No problem here, noticed the difference about halfway thourgh ,but onyl because I remember hearign this before lol.

This could go a long for the betterment of the internet, and global efficancy less people busting others for spelling, less resources used typing.Conclusion: spelling is bad for the enviorment :D

BTW, charlie, the advice you gave johny is working quite well for me too, thanks!!

Charlie
03-29-2005, 12:42 PM
BTW, charlie, the advice you gave johny is working quite well for me too, thanks!!

You're welcome.

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Stoic
04-06-2005, 08:18 PM
In a bit of a rush so bare with me...

Wow, taht iz aaminzg. I menaagd to raed it vrey qkcuily, the olny wrod I got suctk on was “rdanieg”. And I arbitutte taht to the fcat dat jsut lkie seepd rdeaing you pcik out caiertn ensseaitl wrods and flil in the bnalk, you pcik up caiertn lttrees and furgie out the wrod. So I bvlieee taht the odrer is ensseaitl, and taht is why tehy cmae to the cusionlcon of binngineg and edning ltteer msut be arcactue.

Let us do some testing on how your mind can decode certain patterns and how fast we learn. First one should be fairly simple… Second one should show whether it is the syllables that we recognize or just letters, and Third one should be a bit difficult but let’s push our minds to the limit. Do not analyze these, just read over it a couple of times, and see if you can just instinctively figure them out, the example I put before the last test is to calibrate your reading to its pattern:

----- First test


As we laern mroe aobut the mnid and its cpabalitieis we saem to garsp a bteetr iamge of raeilty. We msut frist fluly udnretsnad the cmarea istlef to be albe to udnretsnad the iamge.

----- Second test


NEW YORK (AP) -- New ilfoss finds and a pucomter conrestruction of a skull bolster the case that an ancient creature that grabbed headlines in 2002 really is the earliest known ancestor of modern humans, researchers say.


Notice how Fossil with only 2 syllables cannot be rearranged (end and beginning not the same)
Yet Computer with 3, can be comprehended.
Also, when mixing the suffix or prefix you might lose its meaning in the process, in the case of “reconstruction”.


----- Don’t worry if you can’t understand this, just move on to example

We adn cta kcik rbtoo dcuk ngtaeihmr lfie dahet porsrges cnusoovlin epoexld dcmnouet hpoiynss…

----- Read over this a couple of times, and then read the test when you feel ready.

we, we, and, adn, cat, cta, kick, kcik, robot, rbtoo, duck, dcuk, nightmare, ngtaeihmr, life, lfie, death, dahet, progress, porsrges, convulsion, cnusoovlin, explode, epoexld, document, dcmnouet, hypnosis, hpoiynss.


----- Let us try the third test now

Nwo as we fgriue otu waht is siad hree, I wlil dleev itno a mroe itiaenrct adn spitctdohsiae arneetragmn fro a mroe peiercs adn calnighlegn eaiainxmnto of teh cmlxtopeiy adn oewemnvrhlig cpblteaaiiis of waht we rfree to as teh hmnua mnid.

If you could not make sense of the former paragraph, analyze the examples and try making it automatic to pick out the pattern. Then try reading it again…

These were just some not-so-thought-out idea's that occurred to me. Please, let me know what you think.

notonthisboard
04-13-2005, 10:24 AM
Stoic, I love this type of <fun> .

Don
04-13-2005, 03:46 PM
I thot stoics didn't have fun.

:)

Ruskie
09-07-2005, 04:46 PM
Steps of PhotoReading at 25,000 Words a Minute - by Paul R. Scheele

Excerpted with permission from "The PhotoReading Whole Mind System." Third Edition, ?999.


The demands placed on you as a reader in our age of information are tremendous. The PhotoReading whole mind system can help you meet any challenge. It works with any subject matter and flexibly adapts to different purposes, print formats, rates of speed, and levels of comprehension.
The five steps of the PhotoReading whole mind system use the abilities of your whole mind with power and effectiveness. Let us overview the steps now. In the next five chapters you will develop skills to apply each step effectively.

Step 1: Prepare

Reading effectively begins with a clear sense of purpose. This means consciously stating a desired outcome for reading. For example, we might want a brief overview of main points. We might want to gain certain details such as the solutions to specific problems. Perhaps we want to complete a task and seek only the ideas that will help us do so. Purpose acts like a radar signal to the inner mind allowing it to produce the results we seek.
Empowered with a clear purpose, we then enter a state of relaxed alertness—the accelerative learning state. While in this state, neither boredom nor anxiety exist. We are exerting effort, but we are not worried about results. Have you ever watched young children as they play? They model the same relaxed yet purposeful state we
seek here.

Step 2: Preview

Previewing is based on an important principle: effective learning often takes place “from whole to parts.” That is, we start with the big picture and proceed to the smaller, more
detailed parts.
First we survey the written material. Our aim is not to grasp the content in detail, but to get a sense of its structure. Then we gather a list of key terms, or trigger words, which embody the core concepts or events. Trigger words alert our minds to the details we might want to explore more thoroughly later.
When done effectively, previewing is short and sweet—about five minutes for a book, three minutes for a report, and as little as 30 seconds for an article. During that time, we clarify and refine our purpose, review the trigger words, and decide whether to continue reading or call it quits. If we choose not to read something that does not meet our needs or interests, it is all right.
Previewing is like x-raying a book—getting a broad sense of its underlying structure. Understanding structure gives us something that learning theorists call a schema, a set of expectations about what is coming up next. When we know the structure of written text, we become more accurate at predicting its content. As a result, our comprehension and reading
pleasure soar.
In summary, previewing gives us the skeleton of a book or article first. During the next steps of the PhotoReading whole mind system, we add body to the skeleton.

Step 3: PhotoRead

The PhotoReading technique begins with placing ourselves more fully into the relaxed, alert state of mind and body called the accelerative learning state. In this state, distractions, worries, and tensions seem to fall away.
Then we adjust our vision for the PhotoFocus state. Here the aim is to use our eyes in a new way: instead of bringing individual words into sharp focus, we soften our eyes so that our peripheral vision expands and the whole printed page comes into view.
PhotoFocus creates a physical and mental window—allowing direct exposure of the incoming visual stimuli to the brain. In this state, we mentally photograph the entire page, exposing it to the preconscious processor of the mind. The exposure of each page stimulates a direct neurological response. The brain performs its function of pattern recognition, unencumbered by the critical/logical thought process of the conscious mind.
At a rate of one page a second, we can PhotoRead a whole book in three to five minutes. This is not traditional reading. After PhotoReading, we may have little if any of the material in conscious awareness, which means we may consciously know nothing. The next steps create the conscious awareness we need.

Step 4: Activate

During activation we restimulate the brain—probing the mind with questions and exploring parts of the text to which we feel most attracted. We then super read the most important parts of the text by scanning quickly down the center of each page or column of type.
When we feel it is appropriate, we dip into the text for more focused reading to comprehend the details. In dipping, we allow our intuition to say, “Hey, turn to the last paragraph on page 147! Yes, that is the one. The ideas you want are right there.”
Other activation techniques developed while reading this book include rhythmic perusal, skittering, and mind mapping. These also help us gain access to the deeper impressions established by PhotoReading. When we activate, we involve our whole brain, connect the text with our conscious awareness, and achieve our goals for reading.
Step 5: Rapid Read

This final step of the PhotoReading whole mind system is closest to conventional reading and speed reading. While rapid reading, we move our eyes quickly through the text, starting at the beginning and going straight through to the end. We take as much time as we need, feeling free to adjust our reading speed depending upon the complexity, prior knowledge, and importance of the material. Flexibility is key.
Rapid reading is significant, because it dispels the prime fear of many beginning PhotoReaders that they will forget what they have read, or that they never absorbed any of the text in the first place. Rapid reading directly involves the conscious mind and satisfies our need for clear comprehension of the content.
Remember, this step takes place after the other steps of the system. Those steps make us increasingly familiar with the text. There will be times when we choose not to rapid read, because we have already fulfilled our needs.

With this overview in mind, you are ready to do it.