Exploiting Perceptual Flaws

[Writer]

Okay, I've calmed down and decided to give you guys another try. I have a new question about the use of language and would appreciate a sensible discussion rather than the strangeness of my last visit.


In chapter two of "Hypnotic Language", Burton and Bodenhamer say that problem states are the result of the flaws inherent in the limited capabilities of the infant mind and give eight, as follows: Either/Or, Irreversability, Over-generalising, Egocentrism, Transductive logic, Centering, Inductive logic and animism.

My question is: Given that we retain the ability to cognate like we did as children (B&B claim we do this as adults in times of stress or argument) can these perceptual flaws be accessed and used to create not new problem states but new solution states in the adult mind by accessing our original, childish method of cognition?

[Cassandra 8]

My question is: Given that we retain the ability to cognate like we did as children (B&B claim we do this as adults in times of stress or argument) can these perceptual flaws be accessed and used to create not new problem states but new solution states in the adult mind by accessing our original, childish method of cognition?
This sounds like an interesting question. Indeed, by delivering suggestions in those terms they are very easy for the mind to process and I believe the book goes on to describe how (I have it somewhere, but haven't read it for a while). In the case of therapy, they are used to make changes to the original belief to allow new outcomes.

If you're a writer, you'll probably be aware of Orwell's advice about writing in "Politics and the English Language" (http://tinyurl.com/5sz5h). It stresses the need for simplicity and his style (to me anyway) is extremely trance-inducing. You've set me wondering if this is the same thing as your question. There might be an essay worth writing about this.

Then there's his ideas about doublethink and newspeak. I reckon old Orwell knew a thing or two... ;)

[TaffyE]

Okay, I've calmed down and decided to give you guys another try.QUOTE]

Very generous of you I'm sure! :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]My question is: Given that we retain the ability to cognate like we did as children (B&B claim we do this as adults in times of stress or argument) can these perceptual flaws be accessed and used to create not new problem states but new solution states in the adult mind by accessing our original, childish method of cognition?

The flaws don't need to be accessed for the purpose of creating new useful states. The "flaws" can be corrected to an adult/mature method of cognition. Why would we use a previously flawed system?

[Simple Guy]

Writer,

Not having read the book you referenced, I can't speak of it. Whatever
"solution states" are present in children's minds, though, should
be accessible by well trained hypnotherapists and made available
to clients via anchoring and other techniques. I presume that you
may be speaking of discovery laden states of mind that children
possess and some Buddhist practices cultivate. For Buddhists,
it is sometimes referred to as "beginners mind." Again, I haven't read
the book, so forgive the mindread if off the mark.

[Cassandra 8]

[QUOTE]Okay, I've calmed down and decided to give you guys another try.QUOTE]

Very generous of you I'm sure! :rolleyes:



The flaws don't need to be accessed for the purpose of creating new useful states. The "flaws" can be corrected to an adult/mature method of cognition. Why would we use a previously flawed system?I'm just wondering if Writer's question is more about exploiting the initial naive way we develop of processing information in childhood before we get more sophisticated in later years. Certainly we retain that ability so perhaps that's what's meant. It makes sense to me to read it that way, anyway.

Unfortunately, I seem to have lent my copy of Hypnotic Language to someone as I can't find it anywhere in my library. I really must catalogue everything, or at least put it in some sort of order. Sometimes, it's hard being a polymath :)

[Simple Guy]

Cassandra,

You may be right, as Writer did open with "use of language." From what
you recall, would you recommend the book?

[skip]

Cassandra, is that Burton and Bodenhammer's book or another.

If so, I was thinking of ordering it, and was unable to get a review of it on my fovorite NLP book review site. What did you think of it?

[Cassandra 8]

Cassandra,

You may be right, as Writer did open with "use of language." From what
you recall, would you recommend the book?It goes into some detail about how to construct hypnotic conversational language patterns. The details are here (Amazon). http://tinyurl.com/4taq4 The reader reviews are good. Understandably, I'm loath to recommend a book I don't have with me, though.

Actually, you know, I wonder if it would it be a good idea to post book reviews for the benefit of others? There's the problem of impartiality, but the mods are always the final arbiters in any case.

[Simple Guy]

Cassandra,

Thank you for providing the link. People are free to comment on relevant
books they've read. Partiality is fine here; there is always room for
reasonable challenge.

[snoop froggy frog]

Actually, you know, I wonder if it would it be a good idea to post book reviews for the benefit of others? There's the problem of impartiality, but the mods are always the final arbiters in any case.

sounds like a good idea to me, maybe worth its own forum.

[Merlin]

>I wonder if it would it be a good idea to post book reviews for the benefit of others?

http://www3.mistral.co.uk/bradburyac/books.html

[skip]

Agreed, this is my NLP book review place of choice, although Andy and I disagree on many things personally, he has done yoemans service, and a damn fine jobe of it.