Analog Marking

[MrOmega]

Analog marking is the theory that by taking a command sentence and breaking it up so the words are hidden within a larger sentence. Then while reciting the larger sentence emphasizing the command words so slightly.

Has anybody found any historical evidence of this technique being used in famous public speakings?

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In answer to your question, "Yes."

And what you describe is embedded commands.

[MrOmega]

In answer to your question, "Yes."

And what you describe is embedded commands.

Know of any good ones? I would be particularly interested if anybody knew of Nazi Germany using embedded commands... I'm quite fond of the VW Volkswagen and I do recall them being the first to implement a closed circuit television system... Unfortunately I speak no german...

[Poodle]

It's called: GO TO A GOOD LIVE IN PERSON TRAINING. All will be revealed and you will be able to make up your own mind or not. Your choice.

Yes! They even have them in Canada so you won't have to come to the USA.

Pood

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Sure get a transcript of a Bill Clinton speech.

[MrOmega]

Yes! They even have them in Canada so you won't have to come to the USA.

What... do you guys like live here... in your own secret corner of the web... how fun!

Do I get a secret decoder ring if I go? :)

[MrOmega]

Sure get a transcript of a Bill Clinton speech.

Well... Maybe I am mistaking Analog Marking for embedded commands... It would seem I came across a video which gave specific rules to the probability of influencing a physical action through subliminal suggestion...

but now that I think of it... you would probably know the difference... so there must not be much of a difference at all...

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Analog marking is when you deliberately mismatch your mirroring so that you arent detected.

Embedded commands is inserting specific words and phrases into cognitavely sensible sentences, and using tempo, movement, tonality, or some such, to mark them to the other persons unconscious.

If either rise to the level of conscious awareness in the other person, they lose effectiveness.

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[Don]

What... do you guys like live here... in your own secret corner of the web... how fun!

Do I get a secret decoder ring if I go? :)

Yes, but when you decode the message it tells you to be sure to drink Ovaltine.:eek: :eek:

[MissPiggy]

I would be particularly interested if anybody knew of Nazi Germany using embedded commands... I'm quite fond of the VW Volkswagen and I do recall them being the first to implement a closed circuit television system... Unfortunately I speak no german...

But I do ;) In german it's much more difficult to use embedded commands than in english, it's not impossible but definitely more tricky and less elegant. The Nazis afaik didn't use embedded commands, they used direct and aggressive commands and of course a special language.

[MrOmega]

Yes, but when you decode the message it tells you to be sure to drink Ovaltine.:eek: :eek:

I don't care... I still want a red ranger rifle...

[MrOmega]

But I do ;) In german it's much more difficult to use embedded commands than in english, it's not impossible but definitely more tricky and less elegant. The Nazis afaik didn't use embedded commands, they used direct and aggressive commands and of course a special language.

I'm not sure if I understand that exactly... but... could it be due to a language which is more specific in it's definitions? English being more relaxed in it's meanings which places more emphasis on the tone of suggestion?

I don't speak a word of Chinese or Japanese but I have come to understand that these languages are much more defined and each word is specific. As opposed to a sentence in English which could have dual meanings, or could be left open for interpretation. ??

[MrOmega]

Analog marking is when you deliberately mismatch your mirroring so that you arent detected.

Embedded commands is inserting specific words and phrases into cognitavely sensible sentences, and using tempo, movement, tonality, or some such, to mark them to the other persons unconscious.

If either rise to the level of conscious awareness in the other person, they lose effectiveness.

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Could it be the sub-conscious mind making lazy guesses and assumptions as to how to interpret the meaning of the conversation? Essentially it's the mind making mistakes as to what it should do with the information provided or is it something entirely different. A low level confusion of sorts?

Or could it possibly be a persistence of thought... Many times I find myself repeating and going over common things in my day... those thoughts often carry through to other conversations in my head and directly effect the solution, or conclusion I arrive at.

How does somebody explain or try to explain the mechanics behind analog marking? When I ask this question I am doing it with the preconceived notion that there is proof to back that analog marking works. One can bury alternative meanings into a sentence or conversation and have the participant come to a seemingly illogical conclusion if the conversation was recited with no tone or reflection at all.

I know Pavlov dogs basically describes the phenomenon of association through repetition...

What would be the mechanics involved in analog marking? Is there a word which decribes the mechanics behind it? Or it it just called analog marking?

[MissPiggy]

I'm not sure if I understand that exactly... but... could it be due to a language which is more specific in it's definitions? English being more relaxed in it's meanings which places more emphasis on the tone of suggestion?



Well one advantage of course is that in english you have tons of ambiguities, one word with several meanings. In germans there are also amibiguities but much much less. The other difference is the grammar. In english you can embed a command into a sentence, make the command "invisible" and the grammar of the sentence is fine. In german a command just doesn't fit into a casual sentence.
Let's give a simple example: "It's really not necessary to take a decision now..". In german this would be "Es ist nicht notwendig, daß Sie sich jetzt entscheiden.." but there is no command, a command would be "entscheiden Sie sich jetzt". You see the words are in a different order.
Or let's take a sentence like (imagine a TV show) "by now it's time for a break" could include the command "BUY NOW". In german this wouldn't be possible because "by now=jetzt", "buy now=kaufe jetzt".

[Poodle]

Have you been listening to Bandler's Hypnosis in Munich? That's one of his examples. :) Pood

PS - How is your sister doing? Wonderfully I hope!!!

Mr. O: This is Bandler and Grinder's definition of Analog Marking: A form of nonverbal communication in which portions of a verbal message are "marked out" by voice inflection or physical gestures. It came about from watching Dr. Milton H. Erickson, MD work with his patients' conscious or unconscious minds. Depending upon which church you go to you may have noticed your minister doing it without knowing what it's called. Politicans do it all the time and I suspect in Canada too.

Embedded commands and questions are also from the work of Dr. Erickson. You can read about such things in Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of Milton H. Erickson [I] also by Bandler and Grinder, Vol. I and II and it's much more fun to go to trainings tho and easier to learn too.

[Don]

I don't care... I still want a red ranger rifle...

You'd shoot your eye out!

[Candida]

Every time I read the thread title, I think it says "Analog Marketing." Crank that dial up to 11, folks!

[MissPiggy]

@Poodle

Thanks for asking for my sister. She is absolutely well again, of course has to take some medication, but no side effects and most important the cancer is gone.

Have you been listening to Bandler's Hypnosis in Munich? That's one of his examples. :)

No, I haven't. Paul McKenna or Michael Breen (don't remember who of them) told a story during a seminar that they were invited to a TV show to talk about a new book or Cd, whatever it was. Anyhow as it was time for a break one of them said this and while saying by now... holding this new product accidently a bit better into the camera :D

[Poodle]

That just makes me really happy...elated. I bet I know the med she is on.

Pood :)